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jpreston2005 ,

amid increasing concerns that the lack of a ban on use is promoting drug abuse by young people.

This fucking backwards ass notion of weed as a “gateway drug” needs to die. Their reasoning for calling it that shows their idiocy, in that it’s called that because it’s cheap and harmless, so they think it will lead to people believing other drugs are similar. Imagine branding something as dangerous because it’s (Checks Notes) cheap and harmless.

Although from personal experience, I’d say that weed is a gateway drug of sorts, in that if you’re addicted to something far more dangerous (like alcohol), using weed can act like a “gateway” to sobriety.

krashmo ,

In my experience weed can be a gateway drug when you have to buy it from a drug dealer. As an analogy, lots of people end up buying something other than what they went into Target to buy.

jpreston2005 ,

Whatever it takes to get people to take some shrooms and chill all the way the fuck out

triptrapper ,

Also, dealers don’t check ID.

cyberpunk007 ,

And yet alcohol shall not be banned.

What are they thinking?

Facebones ,

If its like the US they get buckoo tax monies they aren’t getting from canna.

sudo ,

Is that supposed to say beaucoup?

nulluser ,

TIL how to spell beaucoup.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

And not to be confused with Boku.

CanadaPlus ,

TIL people use it in English.

Facebones ,

Yeah, well, shut up 🤣

sudo ,

Can do, bucko ;P

Tja ,

Bone apple tea

HubertManne ,

to be fair states that have legalized are getting tons of ganja tax monies.

CitizenKong ,

And unlike cannabis use (as far as I’m aware), alcoholism is actually a real problem in Japan, because drinking alcohol is not only socially acceptable but downright enforced.

Corkyskog , (edited )

It’s even worse, because over a third of Japanese are allergic to alcohol and probably shouldn’t be consuming for increased health risk.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

They can’t stop people from making bathtub wine.

Maeve ,

It's not entirely harmless, but more harmless than a lot of OTC medicines.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

You are arguing with a bot.

Shard ,

Welcome to Japan, where everything, especially their mentality is fatally stuck in the glory days of the 1970/1980s.

Even today they still use fax and computer usage is the office middling and general computer literacy is abyssal.

irotsoma ,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

The pant is illegal because it’s cheap to grow yourself, but if you let some drug companies make money off of processing it, then it’s perfectly fine to use…

1o6s3nhwic ,
@1o6s3nhwic@discuss.online avatar

Good. That’s for fucking losers

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

This is bot, it’s been reported, just block it.

Skates ,

Most of the world: takes a step forward

Japan: not on my fucking watch

FundMECFSResearch ,

Wasn’t it already illegal. My wife’s cousin served two years for an amount that is so small police wouldn’t even bother to confiscate it in europe.

CanadaPlus ,

Yeah, it’s news to me that it wasn’t technically illegal. They still believe in the reefer madness shit and act like it.

EnderMB ,

I don’t like weed. I’ve tried it throughout my teens, but left it there.

With that said, it’s amazing to me that we’re still having the same conversations around drugs. Decriminalise EVERYTHING! Ensure what is on the market is clean, drive the costs down to remove criminals from the market, and dedicate every police force to protecting those on the bottom rung of the drug ladder.

I read a book from a former officer a while back, where he’d spent two years working on infiltrating a drug network. It was successful, and they not only shut down a major network of drugs, but arrested around 100 people, and removed tons of illegal weapons from the market, and arrested several people in the network known to police for being involved in several murders. They believed that the drug market in the UK during this time had been disrupted “for three hours”. That was all it took for another gang to take over, and apparently it’s those successes that cause a lot of people to leave drug enforcement - after all, what’s the point?

There almost seems to be zero benefit to drug criminalisation, other than “old conservatives hate it”.

Maeve ,

Rich corporations and people profit, everyone else is criminalized for reasons.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

The police love drug criminalization because it gives them widespread latitude to hassle pretty much anybody they feel like whenever they feel like, because “drugs could be involved.” Marijuana especially, since stoners are generally fairly nonthreatening folks but “I smelled marijuana” is a zero-effort way to instantly manufacture a fictitious probable cause for anything.

scottmeme ,

It’s just a fucking plant

1o6s3nhwic ,
@1o6s3nhwic@discuss.online avatar

Like heroin

mynamesnotrick ,

Idiotic position in 2024.

1o6s3nhwic ,
@1o6s3nhwic@discuss.online avatar

Why retard? Because you are a edgy teenager?

Blizzard ,

WTF? Japan, you’re supposed to be doing the opposite!

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

Tbh, I don’t expect any culture that considers tattoos to be taboo to be cool with weed.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Yeah, they have some nice things going for them but Japanese culture still very patriarchal and conservative overall

cheese_greater ,

That’s why they will fail

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That plus a massive amount of inherent isolationism plus an extreme birth shortage and an already very aged population.

The writing is on the wall in many ways unless major, unprecedented changes were to be made. Japan in a hundred years will be unrecognizable without them.

Blackout ,
@Blackout@fedia.io avatar

They are some of the most repressed puritans. I would always try to get my friend to leave work early (in reality on time) so we could do something but they will not stand up for themselves. Have to put in the minimal 10hrs per day in a 40hr workweek or you are a slacker.

1o6s3nhwic ,
@1o6s3nhwic@discuss.online avatar

?

HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Shocking: Nazi country bans plant because worker productivity, or something. I wonder why their suicide rate is among the highest of any country in the world?

Get your fucking act together, Jesus Christ.

prole ,

Japan is not a “Nazi country.” If you meant “fascist,” they’re not exactly that either.

Extremely xenophobic and unfriendly to outsiders? Oh yeah. Nazis? The fuck are you talking about?

HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i live in the same state as Mitch McConnell, so if I fear going to Japan, it’s probably for a good reason.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

A population that old and conservative loves shit like that. Also, the government urging young people to instead drink more alcohol sounds like something straight out of the Soviet Unions playbook.

systemglitch ,

Alcohol leads to fucking and they need more babies. From a logic perspective it makes perfect sense.

No one smokes weed then gets overly horny.

jpreston2005 ,

Man, high sex is so good though. For me, it’s like I get tunnel vision around the sensuality, enveloped by sexual desire, where the only thing that exists is my partner, and for that time we are purely sexual beings. Every touch elicits goosebumps, every nerve at attention, like my entire body is a sexual organ in the throes of hedonistic pleasure. I never feel more connected to my partner, and for some reason it also lends itself really well to aftercare; like, once we’ve cleaned up and/or caught our breath, I just want to cuddle and continue to feel the safety and comfort of their warmth.

Truly the best kind of sex imo

Maeve ,

Wait till you try it on hallucinogenic.

jpreston2005 ,

That straight up sounds like a terrible time, I’m not gonna lie

lost_faith ,

Depends on how you deal with them. I quite enjoyed sex on acid, when I did acid

HandBash ,

Weed is an aphrodisiac though?

griD ,

Indeed, especially for women in my limited experience. Hmm, do I want to really commit SuicideByWords by mentioning a small sample size?

valek879 ,

Having one woman as a friend is still more than none.

limonfiesta , (edited )

If alcohol consumption fixed declining birth rates, Japan wouldn’t have an aging population and Russia wouldn’t have been facing a demographic collapse even before the Ukraine invasion.

This isn’t about boosting sex, it’s about being a conservative policy counterweight to opening the door to legalizing medicines derived from cannabis.

My guess is that it’s a result of an internal NJP compromise between center right and hard right factions: only agreeing to allow liberalized medical cannabis policy, if the law also increased the scope of, and penalties for, recreational uses.

But that’s just my assumption based on my limited understanding of Japan’s post-war uniparty government.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

No one smokes weed then gets overly horny.

yes they do lol

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I wouldn’t be so sure about that… Sex on psychedelic substances is quite an experience, compared to alcohol which numbs.

I_Has_A_Hat ,

Weed is not a psychedelic.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

I can only talk for myself but never in my life did I have sex more crazy, borderline fucked up, as that one time me and my partner smoked weed before jumping in the sheets.

Alcohol on the other hand turns me into a useless sack of meat. Literally the end times for any boner of mine.

Lightor ,

No one smokes weed then gets overly horny.

Ummm… Yes?

ayyy ,

The original propaganda against weed, called Reefer Madness, was all about how black men would smoke weed and then literally couldn’t stop themselves from raping white women because they got so horny.

(I guess I have to point out that of course that isn’t true)

gencha ,

Drunk people might accidentally get pregnant and help with the population. Really an obvious move

jaggedrobotpubes ,

I always figured the stories about Japan, Norway, New Zealand, Germany etc being liberal paradises were simplistic and overblown, but it’s still surprising to see such a backwards position here.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Japan? Liberal Paradise? Since when???

Japan has been highly patriarchal, hating of foreigners, especially gaijin, and fairly conservative overall if only from a Shinto/Tao/Buddhist perspective than a Christian perspecitve like the rest of the west.

The weabos who dream of living in Japan would be fairly ostracized unless they spoke perfect Japanese.

There are growing trends in the youth, but their conservative patriarchy is still holding strong for now.

On a side note, the massive amount of US debt Japan owns combined with the Yen carry trade means there could be a dramatic economic/societal shift in a short period of time, were anything volatile to happen.

atocci ,

This is the first time I’ve even heard the idea of Japan being a “liberal paradise”. I thought it was widely know Japan was super conservative.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

In fairness, “gaijin” is any foreigner. And a lot of laws in Japan are very much based on warped Christian values (can’t imagine who they got that from…).

But yeah. One of my best friends is Japanese American and the way she sums it up is: You know you truly understand the culture of Japan if you realize why you only want to visit for a few weeks at a time.

With bonus points for anyone who can read quickly realizing why the general stance toward APA is “Only if you get a REALLY good deal”

frank ,

I find this to be largely true, especially of older people, for foreigners who live there. But not to discourage a visit: you are very welcomed as a tourist in most places in Japan, and any Japanese you speak will be appreciated.

givesomefucks ,

Where do you hear those stories?

You may need to re-evaluate where you’re getting your information from

dubyakay ,

The only thing good about Japan is their transit system.

prole , (edited )

Their cities do look clean af. The people there seem to have a higher baseline level of mutual respect than most Western nations. Unless you’re a foreigner.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Fucking idiots. Legalize and tax it. It works every time.

Grandwolf319 ,

I actually think it would be detrimental to Japanese demographics.

They are already having a hard time trying to convince young people to give up their freedom and pop out more babies. Weed would only make them think more clearly, not blindly.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I know you’re joking but… People say that about cannabis, but there are plenty of right-wing people who love getting high. Doesn’t make them think more clearly.

Grandwolf319 ,

I am very, very pro cannabis and I was not joking.

In my experience, cannabis does make you question authority and being told what to do (to be fair, that might just be how it affects me).

I’ve been to Japan, there is a huge culture of respect and following authority and just trusting the authority has honour. Psychoactive substances encourage you to think twice instead of trusting authority based on tradition.

Just my two cents.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Again- lots of right-wing people love using cannabis. I can tell you from living right by the Illinois border but nowhere near a big city that I see Trump bumper stickers on big trucks at the dispensary constantly.

Grandwolf319 ,

Right and left wing are not the same as authority and lack of authority, it’s actually a different dimension (as shown on political compasses).

Japan’s issue is their hierarchy and authority, them being right wing is not really what makes cannabis incompatible.

Idk where the right wing connection came from

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Trump voters specifically are authoritarian. I think you know that.

Grandwolf319 ,

Yes, which is what differentiates them from the old country club conservatives, they don’t just have right wing views of the economy, they want a leader with absolute power.

Which is why it’s so dangerous and we shouldn’t be taking about left or right wing but authority vs freedom.

dubyakay ,

It doesn’t even matter in the end. Their problem is clearly birth rate, and they were already criminalizing possession very harshly. Criminalizing use will just incentivize those that want to use to never actually return to their country. In essence making it worse.

lolcatnip , (edited )

The terms right and left wing originated as a shorthand due describing monarchists and anti-monarchists. Authoritarianism is THE defining characteristic of the right. Things like economic policies only come into it because authoritarians prefer economic policies that give more power to economic elites.

Grandwolf319 , (edited )

I mean, you can define it differently for sure, but modern politics basically use left and right wing as whether you want more hierarchy vs equality. Once you established that, the question becomes, do you force that by authority or do you do systems thinking to get the environment to encourage that.

There are right wing people who believe in small government. They want hierarchy and “better” people to be on top, they just either want the market to decide (old school cons) or by taking it by force (GQP).

But I do agree with you, right wing politics will always end up with a minority having most of the power, the how is what separates Trump vs Cheney.

lolcatnip ,

It’s not the plant, it’s what it reveals about the people using scare tactics. Cannabis makes you question authority when it’s illegal and you see how people in power have been lying to you about how dangerous it is. Legal, socially acceptable cannabis just makes you goofy.

Maeve ,

Maybe different people are affected differently. You may be adversely affected by penicillin, I may not be. Metformin may work for you, I may require insulin?

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

cannabis does make you question authority and being told what to do

only when its illegal, because you start asking yourself what else they lied to you about.

i dont think this is an effect from the drug itself. the ‘creativity’ you get can go either way tbh.

IsThisAnAI ,

Just Japan doing Japan things.

Maeve ,

This is to close off profit to anyone but those selected. They know they are going to incarcerate more people, too.

Cyberjin ,

It’s gonna create a black market

Japan sees record cannabis cases in 2023, 70% among young people

They would rather have you drink Japan urges its young people to drink more to boost economy

Imacat ,

That’s a misleading headline. Makes it sound like 70% of young people use cannabis. The figure is that of people who were charged with cannabis related crimes, 70% were in their 20s. About 1.8% of their population had ever used cannabis in 2019.

web.archive.org/web/…/japan-marijuana-law/

PenisDuckCuck9001 , (edited )

Possession of marijuana is already illegal in Japan. Now they’re sending anyone to prison that’s tests positive for thc metabolites. Boycott these fascists, don’t buy stuff from Japan and don’t support Japanese companies if you can help it.

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