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Pro-Palestine demonstrators accused of antisemitism after protesting outside Fiddler on the Roof

The play is not about Israel but instead tells the story of a Jewish man preserving his family’s traditions in a village in imperial Russia at the turn of the 20th century. The performance on Monday went ahead as planned after the protest at the cafe.

“This is a performance of Fiddler on the Roof,” they wrote alongside footage of the protesters. “So, if you’re busy condemning racist demonstrations, but not this, & you don’t think they should be prosecuted, stop preening yourself. You’re happy with racism – it’s only the target that you worry about.”

catloaf ,

The article doesn’t have any statements from the protestors about why they were protesting there. Seems like a glaringly obvious omission.

gAlienLifeform ,
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Also, it’s not exactly clear where “there” even was

A video shared on social media shows protesters holding Palestinian flags and accusing theatregoers at a cafe next to Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre of “Zionism”.

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A spokesperson for Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre said: “The videos that emerged on social media were exchanges that did not take place at Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre. Last night’s performance went ahead as planned.”

Was this demonstration actually in response to the play performance or did they just happen to be near each other?

stoly ,

Also, Palestinians are Semites…

gedaliyah OP ,
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That’s not what antisemitism means. This is like thinking that antipasto means someone is opposed to Pasto. Two different words.

stoly ,

Not a good example. Anti = before, pasto = meal. Antipasto is what you eat before the main dish. Whether people have meant antisemitism to mean specifically Jewish persons (a bad reading), the fact remains that Arabs are Semites and Palestinians are Arabs.

gedaliyah OP ,
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This article has nothing to do with Semites. You are wandering down a pointless thought experiment, and likely attempting to derail the conversation. I can understand your confusion; antisemitism as a word is historically derived from the same root as Semite, much as “antipasto” and “pastor” are derived from the same Latin root, although they have no common meaning today. Antisemitism is and has always been a specific prejudice against Jews.

Merriam-Webster | Oxford | Cambridge | Dictionary.com | Collins | American Heritage | The Atlantic (article)

stoly ,

You are wandering down a pointless thought experiment, and likely attempting to derail the conversation.

That was something you just made up.

If you want to throw a definition at me that shows that antisemitism only applies to Jewish persons, then I can just as easily show you a definition that the word “literally” now means “really a lot” as in “I literally died when I heard that”. Language use changes.

gedaliyah OP ,
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What on earth are you talking about? You give me an awful lot of credit if you think I made up EVERY dictionary. I don’t think I missed any except for the community forums like wiktionary and urbandictionary. Of course language changes. That’s why professional linguists are employed by professional dictionaries to study the language and why words are frequently added or changed. That doesn’t mean words mean whatever you feel like at the moment.

You understood the use of the word in the article. You are trying to derail the conversation to make it about etymology rather than the subject of the news. You are wasting my time, as I’ve already sent you links to SIX dictionaries and an article in a major publication. You sent nothing but your personal feelings.

stoly ,

This hilarious part is that I am actually a linguist. But you’re obviously sensitive to this topic so I’ll walk away.

FlyingSquid ,
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I don’t know whether or not they’re antisemitic, but they do need to read the fucking room.

Altofaltception ,

It is absolutely antisemitic. Fiddler on the Roof is about the Jewish culture and has nothing to do with Zionism or Israel.

This would be like protesting against Saudi Arabia actions at an Eid festival.

FlyingSquid ,
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I’m Jewish (I’m even a mod in our Jewish community here on lemmy.world) and I am very sensitive to antisemitism, but there is also a lot of ignorance which you can call a form of soft bigotry if you like, but it does not rise to something I would consider antisemitism.

It could very well be that this was a case of a bunch of ignorant people.

Someone else suggested (based on the article itself) that it may have been coincidental and the protest just happened to be in the vicinity of the musical.

Or they were a bunch of antisemites.

I don’t feel like I have enough information to judge.

yesman ,

While we’re all tip-toeing around the criticize Israel minefield, remember that the Zionists don’t pay any attention to these rules. They’ll couch Israeli policy in Judaism as it suits them. And they’ll raise antisemitism as a bludgeon and the Shoah as a shield.

It’s a big disadvantage when only one side is nervous about appearing as a racist monster while the other is breaking new ground in bigotry and monstrosity.

FlyingSquid ,
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Who is tip-toeing around the criticize Israel minefield? Criticize Israel all you like, just read the fucking room when you do it.

Naich ,
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That’s pretty stupid.

Deceptichum ,
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People are dying in a literal genocide and this garbage gets upvoted?

Oh shit a protest was near a fucking play, stop the press who cares about genocide against the Palestinians let’s focus on bogus claims of antisemitism instead.

This is an obvious case of trying to tar pro-Palestine supporters as antisemitic, same as has been done every other day by the media and zionists.

FelixCress ,

Are performances about Nakba allowed in Israel? Asking for a friend.

FlyingSquid ,
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This was in London and has nothing to do with Israel whatsoever, so how is that relevant?

FelixCress ,

So, are performances about Nakba allowed in Israel?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I have no idea. Again, how is this relevant?

Do you think all Jews are Israeli? Do you think Fiddler on the Roof has an all-Jewish cast? Do you think it’s about Israel?

FelixCress ,

It is about an individual against the oppressive state. You know, like Palestinians in Israel 🙄

So, what about performances about Nakba? I will give you a hint - organisers of such performances have their funding removed and may be persecuted in “democratic” Israel. Go figure.

FlyingSquid ,
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Again- this is a musical in London about Jews in Russia in the early 20th century.

Please answer my questions:

Do you think all Jews are Israeli?

Do you think this production of Fiddler on the Roof has an all-Jewish cast?

Do you think it’s about Israel?

FelixCress ,

So, are performances about Nakba allowed in Israel?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You have one last chance here to explain what that has to do with this before you get banned for trolling.

FelixCress ,

Can you actually read? I said it quite a few posts ago - it is about an individual and oppressing state. You know, like Palestinians in Israel.

FlyingSquid ,
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Which has nothing to do with this event unless you think all Jews are Israeli or Israeli sympathizers.

Is that what you believe? This is the third and final time I will ask you.

njaard ,

I don’t think FelixCress is arguing in good faith, but to answer their question, yes.

The film Farha was shown in the Israeli town Jaffa, to much debate.

FelixCress ,

And, to quote the article you linked:

“It’s crazy that Netflix decided to stream a movie whose whole purpose is to create a false pretence and incite against Israeli soldiers,” said Israel’s outgoing finance minister, Avigdor Lieberman, in a statement. Lieberman also said he would look at withdrawing state funding from Al Saraya theatre in the Arab-majority town of Jaffa, which screened the film.

Now go figure.

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