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timduncant ,

Is he excluding himself?

Delusional ,

Of course. Rules for thee and never for me the republican way.

mecfs ,

Don’t insult us disabled people!

the_tab_key ,

Trump said this? Really? I cannot believe it, so out if character…

dditty ,

Yeah lol. I mean this was basically his take on the COVID pandemic as well

TropicalDingdong ,

Obviously horrible thing to say, but it’s not new or off brand. If you were in for Trump, the cruelty is the point.

At least we’ve begun to dig ourselves out of the giant shit hole which was Joe Bidens candidacy. I mean what does it take to be less popular than a guy who says shit like this?

AmidFuror ,

If you came out in favor of helping people with disabilities, you'd be very unpopular with many right-wing people, so I don't understand the question about Biden.

TropicalDingdong ,

helping people with disabilities, you’d be very unpopular with many right-wing people

Its really irrelevant what Trump supporters think is the point. The Biden question is rhetorical.

Trump says asshole shit like this all the time, and yet Biden was and has continued to be less popular than this guy.

So who do you think this article works on rhetorically? Whose mind is changed because of this “revelation”? This kind of relentless focus on the shittiness of Trump is not and has not changed any minds in 8 years. Shitty people who go for Trump don’t fucking care. Sane people who reject this kind of shit are never voting for Trump.

We make no ground in beating Trump with articles like this because no minds are changed.

shalafi ,

Word. “Trump says appalling evil shit. Should we be concerned?” headlines are ancient history.

mecfs ,

Yep. When I became disabled my right wing (ex)-friends told me I should probably use assisted suicide because this was “no way to live”. Fuck those ableist people. I’m here happy with life.

someguy3 ,

Holy fuck.

floofloof ,

Murder occurs to them before empathy.

YurkshireLad ,

I hope you have a long and happy life, out live them and they know it. If that makes sense.

Whirlygirl9 ,

I'm so sorry someone said that to you.

Nougat ,

At least we've begun to dig ourselves out of the giant shit hole which was Joe Bidens candidacy.

No new talking points from headquarters, I see?

TropicalDingdong ,

Ahh I see you’re still trolling and breaking instance rules to create an image that you or your perspective were in any way in the right for the previous 8 months.

Nougat ,

Where did I say you were getting paid?

Cheems ,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly what was terrible about the Biden presidency?

TropicalDingdong ,

The candidacy part. Where he almost handed us Trump.

lurch ,

Hitler moment

givesomefucks ,

Wasn’t mein kampf the only book he"s read?

I remember at some point it came out he kept it on his bedside table.

Hitler wanted to exterminate anyone that was different, and he took his inspiration from how America was treating Black/Native populations but also people with disabilities and LGBTQ.

There’s always a huge focus on the victims who were Jewish, but they were only like 50% of the Holocaust victims. Still a majority of victims but just barely.

Post-nazi society wouldn’t tolerate them going after people for being Jewish so they focused on the other groups. They just focus on whatever group of “others” is the least protected that’s who they prioritize as victims.

catloaf ,

It was a book of Hitler’s speeches, but I don’t think he’s actually read even that.

shalafi ,

Tried to read Mein Kampf years ago. The writing was such a clusterfuck I couldn’t go on. I don’t mean I disagreed, I mean I couldn’t make out what he was saying, at all.

Ever read the transcript of a Trump speech? Not even one of the crazy ones people paste on the internet, just an everyday speech. That’s what reading Hitler’s babbling was like.

mecfs , (edited )

Aktion T4 was a campaign of mass murder against disabled people by involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany. The term was first used in post-war trials against doctors who had been involved in the killings.[4] The name T4 is an abbreviation of Tiergartenstraße 4, a street address of the Chancellery department set up in early 1940, in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten, which recruited and paid personnel associated with Aktion T4.[5][b] Certain German physicians were authorised to select patients “deemed incurably sick, after most critical medical examination” and then administer to them a “mercy death” (Gnadentod).[7] In October 1939, Adolf Hitler signed a “euthanasia note”, backdated to 1 September 1939, which authorised his physician Karl Brandt and Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler to begin the killing.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

I hate the use of “euthanasia” and “mercy death”. This was genocide, perpetrated by nazi germany and nazi doctors. 300’000 disabled people murdered by doctors and SS.

unexposedhazard ,

Thanks for the summary, hadnt really heard of the specifics of this.

I think genocide isnt really the right term here, but i agree with the sentiment that it should be treated as such.

mecfs ,

Yep. It’s crazy to me the term used by the nazis “involuntary euthanasia” is the same that is used by wikipedia.

Its like calling “rape”, “involuntary lovemaking”.

peopleproblems ,

I think “genocide” is appropriate here - it’s a group of people, selected because of a shared trait that were mass murdered.

The first sentence I think covers it: “A campaign of mass murder” states what it actually was, and “by involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany” states what the Nazis claimed it was.

To the Right, only the in-group should be alive at all. Everyone not in the in-group is a waste of resources. It’s important that we understand this, as it’s the same thing now as it was in the 1930s and 1940s. To them, “mercy killing” meant merciful to the Nazis and care takers. It meant that it removed the burden on them of the people they didn’t desire.

CanadaPlus ,

I doubt Trump could philosophically defend this as well, so Adolf goddamned Hitler somehow comes out as more intellectually honest, at least.

hemko , (edited )

Oh, Hitler wasn’t dumb, just evil to the core. Trump is dumb as the left foot boot AND evil to the core.

Edit: I guess I was wrong

CanadaPlus ,

Yes. And I cannot believe how he still has managed to become successful.

Asafum ,

Propaganda, “charisma,” and absolutely no filter, but mostly propaganda…

peopleproblems ,

It’s a misunderstanding he was in anyway intelligent. Most of his speeches were charismatic rambling attempting to anger and hype the common person (sound familiar?)

He made many tactical blunders after dismissing the advice from experts, or by taking direct command over experienced officers. He thought he knew what he was doing. To not take control and to admit someone else was right would ruin his image.

CanadaPlus ,

More intelligent that Donald Trump isn’t the same standard as intelligent, though, lol.

JTskulk ,

The guy that fought 2 fronts when they were completely unprepared for the coldest winter on record? He was dumb.

peopleproblems ,

Nope. In the intellectual circles of Germany Hitler was considered a rambling idiot. A lot of his supporters thought they could control him because of this, and prevent him from doing anything too stupid. They were wrong of course, because weaponized stupidity is very dangerous.

Many times he didn’t like the way things were getting done, and against the suggestions of his advisors, would take control and order things that had pretty bad consequences.

This is evident in the actual way the allies won the war. The Axis was starved of fuel.

Hitler famously demanded that his armor battalions were the key to the success of Germany. Unfortunately for him, the routing of funds away from air power to armor led the allies to prove that a single bomber could be far more devastating than several tanks.

He sent orders to betray the Soviet Union at the wrong time. The Soviet Union had heavy losses, sure, but now they had a war on two fronts. He was absolutely certain that the Nazi War Machine was unstoppable, and he would be the one to guide it… Right into the allies hands.

World War II was complex, but an actual competent individual wouldnt have made so many mistakes for the sake of doing things his way.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I would pay Kamala 100 a piece every time she just says that in a rebuttal at a debate.

Mnemnosyne ,

That would be hilarious if someone prepared a bunch of little clips of things Hitler said that Trump also says very similar things to, and then anytime he says one, just respond by playing a clip of Hitler saying basically the same thing, and giving a ‘Do I need to say more?’ look.

dadGPT ,

Make Abilities Great Again . makes sense

DaddleDew ,

That’s rich coming from someone who pretended to be disabled to dodge the draft.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

He wears diapers which is a disability as he could not work a job without special accommodations, eg longer bathroom breaks to change and or extra breaks to change. He’s old and disabled and “should just die”.

HyperMegaNet ,

There are lots of reasons to dislike Trump or question his ability to be a good president, but whether he uses adult incontinence products should not be one of them.

A lot of people will experience incontinence issues at some point in their lives (roughly 1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men), so it’s a surprisingly normal thing. Obviously not all of those people will need or want to use incontinence products, but many do, at least in some situations. That can be anything from relatively small liners designed for light leakage all the way to what many people would consider a “diaper” designed for greater absorption. In any case, none of those products prevent people from living normal lives and doing whatever activities they want with their day. I mean astronauts and fighter pilots wear them sometimes, and they have notoriously rigorous schedules and extremely demanding jobs.

The idea that it should be treated as a disability because he’ll need to take longer toilet breaks is absurd. Different people take different amounts of time to go to the toilet, for any number of reasons, and many people who use incontinence products are perfectly capable of doing what they need to do in a “normal” time. I also just think it’s ridiculous to be considering how long it takes for someone to go to the toilet as part of their eligibility for a certain job. People should be allowed to take however long they want to go to the toilet, without concern for whether it’s taking too long. It’s really just basic human decency and respect to allow people to manage their own body.

Finally, it’s worth noting that if Trump uses incontinence products, he faces a uniquely difficult situation because men’s toilets are often not equipped with facilities to dispose of sanitary products. Women’s toilets almost universally have bins or other systems to dispose of sanitary products, but it is relatively uncommon for men’s toilets.This means that men are often forced to either dispose of these products improperly (flushing them down the toilet, leaving them somewhere that isn’t designed for it, etc.) or taking the used products with them to dispose of elsewhere. Neither of those is a good option. Purpose built facilities to dispose of products like that should be available universally in all restrooms.

antaymonkey ,

Dude…

catloaf ,

Right, it’s normal and should be accommodated. The point is that Trump is hypocritical, and by his own logic, should just die.

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d just like to point out that Trump’s potty issues are self inflicted if the rumors of his drug abuse are true.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t die from bone spurs! Taps temple.

Boddhisatva ,

Hey! He survived his own personal Vietnam!

“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

So brave 🥺

Fedizen ,

Donald first

OwlPaste ,

I wonder if it stemed from not being allowed to park in a disabled parking spot once when he was youger?

hOrni ,

Is shitting into a diaper a disability?

crawancon ,

voting for that shit might indicate the presence of a disability.

Nougat ,

Soiled Diaper 2024?

hOrni ,

Holy fuck, I just realized something. If it ever gets confirmed, that he’s wearing a diaper, his voters will start wearing diapers. I really hope that we get some confirmation on that soon.

Nougat ,

... start?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Already reported to be a thing, which is why supporters wearing ear tampons wasn’t a surprise.

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

www.snopes.com/…/trump-diapers-over-dems/

☑ True

Whirlygirl9 ,

they already did https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-diapers-over-dems/

mecfs ,

Man the ableist comments here really suck :(

Please stop insinuating: disabled = stupid, or disabled = horrible people.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Hmm, does narcissism and similar count as a disability? Otherwise, there literally isn’t a disability that makes you a dick.

mecfs ,

nope. narcissism is not a disability, according to a quick google search.

And even so NPD the clinical diagnosis is very different from what layman call “narcissism”.

CanadaPlus ,

What, you mean if someone says something mean to me, I can’t diagnose them with NPD right there? /s

nope. narcissism is not a disability, according to a quick google search.

No offense intended, but that’s kind of a shitty way to answer questions about bioethics. I feel like a few years back that would have linked you to Yahoo! Answers.

mecfs ,

source was comittee on personality disorders www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/health/…/30mind.html

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Much better, but still, it’s not the kind of question that can be answered with an appeal to authority. I could look inside for their reasoning, but paywall.

Edit: I’m poking around a bit for a preprint or something, but kind of coming up empty. I was more hoping to start a discussion here, anyway.

Like, if a disability is a permanent medical condition that makes it hard to live a normal life, shouldn’t cluster B disorders count? A niggle for narcissism is that they often become more successful in life than control populations, which is horrifying, but you could sub in disorganised sociopaths or whatever non-DSM group of neuroatypical deviants you want.

If it is a disability, does that change how we treat them? I’d actually guess not, you don’t let blind people drive taxis, after all. Damage reduction still takes precedence over personal freedom.

mecfs ,

From what I’ve read it should be considered a disability in my opinion.

But it seems it was removed from the DSM with some psychologists and psychiatrists saying it wasn’t a legitimate condition/disability. (what the NYT article covers)

crawancon ,

fair point sorry human.

mecfs ,

❤️

blindbunny ,

Remember that violet rhetoric that got him shot?

Deestan ,

Yes but Kamala once neglected to pet a dog we must focus more on her faults

Rentlar ,

In fact, Harris once identified herself as wearing a blue dress at a disability conference to assist blind and sight impaired people. That’s totally weird, and helping people absolutely disqualifies her for holding office in the Republican Party.

sarcasticsunrise ,
@sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world avatar

Did you see those clips where she was actually laughing??? What an inhuman monster ugh!
/s (should be obvious)

CanadaPlus ,

Not out of character, really.

ArmokGoB ,

He’s just saying the part no one says out loud. Having a disability that prevents you from working is a death sentence in the US.

mycathas9lives ,

Trump is about to feel the power of the American left. They seem very tired of his bullshit and his family validating everything they can will make it that much sweeter. Especially because more of the independents will side with the left rather than the right. President Harris will be good for both sides!

e3qze6v83z ,

Trump is about to feel the power of the American left

You mean blacks looting TV’s and fat virgin girls with Palestine flags?

I bet he’s scared af

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

You keep thinking that bud. Your eyes are blinded to the truth of the world. But you’ll find out.

SaltySalamander ,

Thanks for making your deplorable views of the world public. Makes it so easy to spot and block you subhuman scum.

captainlezbian ,

How easy it is to say my life is not worth living when you aren’t the one who gets to live it

lolcatnip ,

He doesn’t care if you value your life; all he cares about is what you can do for him, and he clearly sees disabled people as useless.

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