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cyberpunk007 ,

Another day, another disgusting thing done by Israel. And another day other countries governments just don’t seem to give a shit. What the fuck.

wurzelgummidge ,

What can other countries do? Invade? The US bullies Nato into compliance, the rest of the world can only sit there and be appalled.

Dagnet ,

The US: “Oh no, more innocents died, that’s sad” sends more bombs

trxxruraxvr ,

What can other countries do?

Same they do to Russia. Freeze foreign money and ceace all trade

wurzelgummidge ,

Most of Israel’s trading partners are Nato or Nato aligned. They can’t sanction Israel because they will be sanctioned in turn by the US.

ghostdoggtv ,

As an American we should sanction the fuck out of Israel. The founders would have revolted by now.

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

but… but that would be anti-semitic

cyberpunk007 ,

I’m definitely not equipped to have an answer, but it’s not right.

YarHarSuperstar ,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

“full-fledged”, unlike all the many, many, other only partially-fledged war crimes /s

Oisteink ,

Yepp - condemnation it is!

Hupf ,

Geneva suggestion misinterpretations

pyre ,

IDF: Hamas is terrible; they use human shields!

also IDF:

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

For those that haven’t seen it yet, here’s the newest Aljazeera video with hard video evidence of israel using Human Shields in Gaza. Even dressing them up as IDF soldiers and forcing them to clear buidlings

youtu.be/gSbWuGSGOBo?si=mg_CmPvDfZnS_DAS&t=38

dditty ,

I first started following the Israeli-Palestinian conflict twelve years ago and the IDF were using Palestinians as human shields back then (and I believe well before then). While this is nothing new, seeing video evidence of it is so jarring, horrifying, and indefensible it has left me feeling shaken and infuriated at the wanton disregard for human life and international law.

theacharnian ,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

Do you know of any version with English subs?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Someone posted this below it looks accurate.

I just used closed capation auto translate on the YouTube video.

Mrkawfee ,

“The most moral army in the world”

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Almost as moral as the fullest void is full

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I swear, if they accuse us of antisemitism for criticizing this move for the umpteenth time, I will checkmate them by saying that real Jews would never, ever, encourage this sort of behavior.

Why is it so easy to excuse Israel for this disgusting thing they’re doing?

BertramDitore ,
@BertramDitore@lemmy.world avatar

real Jews would never, ever, encourage this sort of behavior.

I really wish that were true. I’m a Jew, and I am fully against this genocide and Israel’s hypocrisy in general, but Israel is full of real Jews who absolutely encourage this behavior. It’s sad, demoralizing, and shameful, especially for us “normal” Jews who see it for the evil that it is, but I’m not sure enough of the world realizes how normalized this kind of violence is in Israel. I’ve spent a lot of time there, and the vapid, bloodthirsty hatred for Palestinians is absolutely real, and many many more Jews than you or I would like to believe support these atrocities.

I’m a descendant of Holocaust survivors, with a sizable contingent of family that escaped Europe to Israel, and I frankly won’t be talking to any of them ever again now that I know they happily support genocide.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Truly what a depressing time we live in. 😪

Maggoty ,

I get what you’re saying but I think they’re trying to say anyone who would do this isn’t a real Jew. In the same way we try to disavow Christians who are punishing the poor and homeless.

BertramDitore ,
@BertramDitore@lemmy.world avatar

Ah yeah that makes sense. Though in the past I’ve gotten in trouble for trying to say who is and who isn’t a “real” Jew (many an argument about Messianic Jews over the dinner table). But yeah, anyone who supports genocide doesn’t deserve my respect, so I’m okay calling them not real Jews.

febra ,

And for anyone that has been following this conflict for more than just half a year, this isn’t new. Israel has been doing this for decades now. It’s fairly normal practice for them.

CoCo_Goldstein ,

I found the first part where the guy was digging in the rubble, then later searching the tunnel to be inconclusive. I couldn’t tell who or what was going on.

However, the second part, where the guy is handcuffed in his underwear, surrounded by soldiers, then later on it looks like the same guy being herded through a building… that doesn’t look good. Someone below mentioned a possible prisoner swap. I don’t think prisoner swaps are handled like that.

Maggoty ,

Oh look more Credible Evidence of war crimes. And we’re just going to ignore it like everything else.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It’s a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.

I just don’t want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There’s a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn’t proof of this claim.

Kbobabob ,

What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.

In general, we don’t know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.

There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn’t it?

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Movies have worse scenes than this.

Heard it here first folks, if it’s in a movie, it’s not a war crime any more.

I’ll say that I mostly agree, it’s good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I’d almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you’re already well into war crime territory.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what’s going on. It’s a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There’s a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSbWuGSGOBo Here’s the video. There’s nothing vague about it.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

You’re kidding me right? This is in Arabic for a start. I don’t speak Arabic. It looks on the face of it a vague as before otherwise. Help me out here.

IndustryStandard ,

I posted a translated version yesterday. I will link it below. It took a dip in the internet JPEG fryer so quality is not as great anymore.

files.catbox.moe/busmfb.mp4

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

It’d be fantastic to not have the dramatic music and narrative overlay and have a translated version of the original footage and any dialogue that’s going on. We have Al Jazeera to blame for that though.

IndustryStandard ,

Israel using human shields was what bothered me in the video. To each their own.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

And yet that’s the narrative, not necessarily what is actually going on. There’s a reason it’s not a story published on Reuters, or AP, or even English Al Jazeera that I can find at least. There’s plenty of criticism of Israel in all of these. No reason why they wouldn’t run a story with evidence of the IDF using human shields. They ran this story after all.

IndustryStandard ,

The Arab version of Al Jazeera publishes the good stuff. English media is censoredwhen it comes to anything NSFW that is not nudity related.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe in terms of visuals, but they will publish the story itself if the evidence is strong. There was the story involving the hood of a car. That one I know is real.

My skepticism here should not be interpreted as some kind of stubbornness to acknowledge the IDF are committing war crimes. They absolutely are.

But I don’t think this story is what it looks like, and I am sure Al Jazeera are embellishing a lot of content that is being published on social media.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

You can press the closed captions button and click auto translate to English.

It’s a magical world out there.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

And we can trust what’s being said you think?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yes of course. The narration matches the video evidence.

Maggoty ,

TIL, thanks!

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hang on… So you aren’t going to trust a primary source from a country that doesn’t speak English, unless said source is in English? The fuck? Of course it’s in fucking Arabic, it was filmed in an Arabic-speaking country. Put it through a translator like the rest of the world did.

Maggoty ,

So you’re volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

Why isn’t it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.

Maggoty ,

Did you miss the story about them tying a wounded Palestinian to the front of a vehicle? There’s this Reuters story too.

Oh and here’s Haaretz.

There is a pattern of behavior here and it’s not the Palestinians lying.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

The car hood event is a sample of one. You can’t prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That’s not how patterns work.

Maggoty ,

How many examples of using a human shield would you like?

I’m guessing it’s whatever there’s evidence for, and then one more. After all you’re down to nitpicking the subcategories of human shields.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there’s a pattern. One does not a pattern make.

Maggoty ,

Good because there’s two right there.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a start then. I hope you’re wrong.

I think we’re still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas’s use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.

I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they’re still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.

This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what’s to come (especially if Trump wins the election).

Maggoty ,

Not really, stuff like this doesn’t keep coming up because it’s a one time thing. This is multiple units, in multiple locations, at multiple times.

ynthrepic ,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

It’s two instances over a war that’s already been in progress for 8 months.

Maggoty ,

It really isn’t. There’s more video out there, just not as well corroborated.

RizzRustbolt ,

I’ll stand in front of you…

I’ll take the force of the blow… Projection.

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