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febra ,

Send them home!

Sweetpeaches69 ,

Wow, heart warming. Turns out the real terrorists were the Israelis we met along the way ❤

CritFail , (edited )

The two question zionists need to be explicitly asked are:

  1. Hypothetically, do they even believe it would ever be possible for Israel to commit genocide?
  2. If so, what characteristics would it need to have in order to qualify as genocide?

If they answer no to the first one, they expose their complete bias and therefore unable to even argue their position effectively.

If they answer yes, then they have to explain why the genocidal traits of what Israel are doing are not genocide, which might hopefully make them more introspective.

lolcatnip ,

Isn’t there a word for when people go to a foreign country and attack the locals? Feels like it’s right on the tip of my tongue…

mightyfoolish ,

Terrorists.

BigFatNips ,

Terrourists 😂

ILikeBoobies ,

Invasion?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Why are these Nazis even allowed in?

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

because they disguise themselves as Jews

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

“They’re not sending their best”

Beetlejuice001 ,

I’m just waiting for the follow up of this headline now. “Israeli tourists attacking pro-Palestine supporters killed in attack, told to go home”.

boyi ,

This is not the first time - Israeli tourists attack vigil in Cusco in support of Palestine

spirinolas OP ,

The audacity of entering someone’s country, trying to control what they do and say and then tell them to go somewhere else “where they came from”. Who would’ve expected an Israeli of being capable of such a thing.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like Elon Musk and Rupert Murdoch

SuddenDownpour ,

There, the tourists “violently intimidated one of activists, who is a racialized woman, calling her ‘fascist’, ‘monkey’, telling her to go back to Africa and even threatening to kill her.”

Sounds on par for ethnic supremacists.

spirinolas OP ,

The “go to Africa” made me confused because all the people seemed to be white Portuguese. I saw nobody of African descent (and it still wouldn’t be OK).

Maybe our nice tans were to offensive for those snow flakes.

jaybone ,

Do Israelis not also have tans?

TechNerdWizard42 ,

The majority of Jews and Israeli people are of European Caucuses descent today. Very few are descendents of the Semites. Ironically, the majority of Palestinians are closer descendents of the Semites than the current global Jewish population… Hmm…

jaybone ,

I was thinking more I was thinking more of tans from sunlight. And guessing you get a decent amount of sun in Israel as you do in Portugal. It seems like the original comment was saying Israelis are more white than Portuguese. I was just wondering if that’s really true, or at least a common perception anyway.

spirinolas OP ,

Not as sexy as ours, evidently.

Pfeffy ,

Not the ones in power for the most part. An interesting historical fact is that Zionism didn’t really take off in terms of Europeans headed to Palestine until a few years after sunscreen was invented.

jaybone ,

This might actually be true. When was sunscreen invented?

jaybone ,

What does it mean to be racialized?

SuddenDownpour ,

Person of color, but only in a background where it has any significance. So a Chinese person is racialized in France, but not in China, and a German person is racialized in Japan, but not in Germany.

spirinolas OP ,

It’s translated by Google from “racializado” I think. I think it’s being singled out because of your race…or something…

Hamartia ,

To acquire one unpaired valence electron.

kokesh ,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

israeli tourists should be banned from entering the EU, same as russian tourists. People from these two fucking countries should not be allowed in.

foggy ,

The people of Russia aren’t guilty of anything.

In principle, the same is true of Israelites.

We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

sneezycat ,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s not about guilt, it’s about the reality of propaganda radicalizing the population.

Of course not everyone in any of those countries is mindrotten, but that’s like , it’s not about the individual, but the “culture”.

I don’t know if I agree with radical policies like what the parent comment proposes though.

Tryptaminev ,

Israels population continued to vote for Netanyahu or even worse fascists and even the so called “center” and “center left” have been largely in support of continued settler colonial displacements and ethnic cleansings. Still a majority is in support of the current genocide.

The opposition to being a white supremacists “Blut und Boden, Lebensraum” Fascist state are in the small minority unfortunately.

foggy ,

…and Germans voted for Hitler.

Americans did and will again vote for trump. That doesn’t mean all Americans want what he wants.

Y’all are fucking ridiculous. It’s alarming.

Tryptaminev ,

And Germans have to take the responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi time yes. What are you on about? If people vote for a government in a democratic election they bear responsibility for it. Not individually but as a people.

Also the Germans voted Hitler once and then there were no more elections. Israel had 11 elections since Netanyahu first came into power. And also the non Netanyahu governments continued the “settlements” aka ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.

foggy ,

To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

Tryptaminev ,

Denying people tourist visas based on their country being complicit in a genocide is not an atrocity. Committing genocide is.

foggy ,

To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

Tryptaminev ,

So by your logic Germany should not have paid reparations to the survivors and descendants of the Holocaust and should have paid no reparations to the countries it invaded? Because that was paid by the tax payer money of the people who were part of the war generation and the generations after. Even though clearly the generations after were not directly complicit, they bear the historic responsibility.

What you are advocating for under the guise of not “normalizing atrocities” is to simply abolish every people from being held accountable for their atrocities.

foggy ,

No I’m not. You’re putting so, so many inaccurate words in my mouth. That’s why I simply repeat myself so you can continue to play crazy person.

We don’t judge the Russian people for Putin’s actions.

We don’t judge Germans for Hitler’s actions.

People are people. Countries are countries.

To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

mightyfoolish ,

We do judge those people who voted for Hitler. The Germans do so as well. We use that political party as a slur for a reason. I would not be surprised if other countries use “Nazi” as a slur as well.

Russia’s election is a joke. That’s what makes this different from blaming the Germans who voted for Hitler for giving the world Hitler.

foggy ,

Voted for?

Your words not mine.

ghostdoggtv ,

Are you getting paid by Zionists to spam that thing about the nation state, it’s really fucking weird

foggy ,

Why would you think I am a Zionist? jfc. You people are braindead.

You don’t judge people based on where they’re fucking born.

Do you know what “nation state” means? Apparently not.

ghostdoggtv ,

Why’d you downvote me, I didn’t ask what you were, I asked if they were paying you. Clearly your hands are running faster than your brain is.

foggy ,

I downvoted you because it’s an asinine question.

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    jaybone ,

    Ok now try pointing out that Gazans voted for Hamas. I’ll get the popcorn.

    foggy ,

    Oh, 100% of them did?

    jaybone ,

    See and now I get the downvotes. lol

    iknowitwheniseeit ,

    The last election in Gaza was in 2006. 65% of the population in Gaza is 24 or younger (!!!) so the majority of Gaza residents literally could not have voted for anyone, including Hamas.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine

    …wikipedia.org/…/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Pal…

    prole ,

    Try living under violent, oppressive, ethno-nationalist, colonialist, apartheid for 80+ years and see what options you and your family might be willing to consider.

    Also add in the direct monetary support from Likud and Netanyahu to prop them up as the only viable option.

    prole ,

    Only about ~30% actually voted for Hitler if memory serves.

    Not that it makes it ok, but…

    doo ,
    @doo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Here’s some read for you: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Ban…

    Yes, an average russian or Israeli person is not likely to have directly participated in the recent events.

    The catch, though, it’s that by not opposing the actions of their governments, they DO contribute to the events indirectly. They pay taxes. They work at factories producing weapons. They make the food that the soldiers eat.

    On top of that it’s not russian government who’s currently pulling the triggers and dropping bombs. Just regular folks who just follow orders.

    Yes, protesting in russia is not easy, but the war keeps going on because the government sees that people aren’t worried too much about it.

    And yes, in both countries there are people who actively oppose, but the majority doesn’t.

    And that majority is complicit.

    foggy ,

    Oh okay let’s just nuke em all then good plan

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible. We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.

    VaultBoyNewVegas ,

    I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    Individual actions, of course. But I don’t hold them responsible for trumps administration’s actions. They were tricked and continue to be so. And society falled them long ago.

    njm1314 ,

    Couldn’t disagree more. They’re not duped, their thrilled to take off the mask.

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    Noone is born racist.

    ghostdoggtv ,

    The Israeli government knows how to hold their own accountable, read history of Zionist paramilitaries like Irgun and Lehi. Their genocidal legacy Likud is using all people in Israel, not just Jews, as human shields, exactly in the same way they accused Hamas of doing as an excuse in order to flatten Gaza on the US working taxpayer’s dime.

    doo ,
    @doo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.

    After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.

    Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.

    I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.

    wildcardology ,

    I’ve seen Russians get arrested for protesting the war and I’ve seen Israeli children encourage by adults to stomp on food aid they blocked.

    prole ,

    Israeli “settlers” have been stealing land from Palestinian families that have lived there for generations. For decades.

    I agree that Jewish people as a whole aren’t guilty, but the type that go into other people’s homes, on other people’s land in other people’s countries are the same type that carry AR-15s when marching into a village in the West Bank to say, “this is mine now.” Fuck those people.

    It’s ok to call the Proud Boys shit without damning the entire US population.

    foggy ,

    So then you are agreeing with my heavily downvoted opinion.

    We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

    prole ,

    Where did I judge these people by their nation state? I’m judging them based on their actions.

    This behavior is very reminiscent of the behavior of Israeli “settlers” in the West Bank, and I was pointing out that comparison.

    I judge the nation of Israel, which is democratic with mandatory conscription (i.e. brainwashing every Israeli adult into believing Palestinians are literally subhuman) for creating these people. But in a democratic system, the people aren’t entirely blameless.

    And no it’s not the same as Hitler, he was (barely) elected and then seized power and did away with the democracy, so it’s not like the German people could have just voted him out (not that they would have).

    We (humans) have already settled this anyway. Read The Banality of Evil to understand why the German people are absolutely not blameless, and it’s perfectly acceptable to criticize them as individuals.

    foggy ,

    Yo don’t judge people based on where they’re born, jfc.

    rottingleaf ,

    As someone from Russia - I’m confused really, while I’d feel offended myself, I know what Russian tourists are like in general. Ahem.

    prole ,

    Careful, they might try to steal your home while they’re there.

    spirinolas OP , (edited )

    Coimbra is traditionally an academic city. The demonstrators were very peaceful. Had they done this in Porto, for example, it could’ve earn them a beating.

    Portuguese peope are very good hosts, but you don’t enter someone’s “home” and tell them what to do. It’s one of the most insulting things you can do as a visitor. And you don’t tell us to “go to Africa”. Honestly I’m surprised some old lady didn’t came with a broom and sweep their asses into next week.

    spirinolas OP ,

    Video and pictures of the incident

    www.facebook.com/share/p/jM2yR6BWfrVpRK82/

    drmoose ,

    Ok watching the video and where’s the assault? What a clickbait dude

    spirinolas OP ,

    Watch again. You can clearly see a scuffle and the racist tirade. The major assault and spitting happened before. That’s when they started filming. Read the news piece. The police came and there were multiple witnesses, including people not part of the demonstration.

    drmoose ,

    Eh the article makes it sound like its a more serious attack than a retirement home scuffle

    Aceticon ,

    “This is my place, my place”

    “Your place is is Africa! In Africa! Not here”

    Shouts the Russian Israeli in a Portuguese square to the Portuguese demonstrating there against the actions of the nation he chose to live in.

    Wow, just wow.

    Aurenkin ,

    Fortunately the bible only says to love your neighbour so you can really let loose when travelling.

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    the bible also contains accounts of god helping his people conquer land and uproot the residing population from it. I wouldn’t use it as a moral reference.

    In fact, let’s be honest: there is no point in quoting any religious text, regardless of religion, when discussing morality. These texts are horribly dated and should be considered as historically interesting, but nothing more.

    Aurenkin ,

    Hey I’m with you, my comment was supposed to highlight as much. Helping people conquer land is even one of the more palatable examples you can choose from when it comes to morally abhorrent things in the bible.

    NegativeInf ,

    I mean, when there’s no commandment against rape and the one for murder doesn’t count when their god says it’s totes ok bro, take their land and dash their babies against the rocks, they have no moral ground to stand on.

    Religion is the language of the oppressors couched in fantasy to make you do their dirty work in the here and now for a payoff that certainly doesn’t exist.

    prole ,

    It also teaches you how to treat your slaves.

    Could have very easily had said, “slavery is evil, stop doing it,” but nope.

    Makes you wonder how many fewer people would be Christian nowadays if it was outspokenly anti -slavery. Interesting thought.

    prole ,

    Yeah the god old the old testament is brutal, and honestly a real piece of shit.

    Why would I want to worship a god who openly admits to being controlled by such petty human emotions as jealousy? Fuck that, I’ve been in shitty relationships before.

    iknowitwheniseeit ,

    That’s the New Testament, meaning the Christian Bible.

    Aurenkin ,

    Isn’t it Leviticus 19:18 of the Hebrew Bible?

    iknowitwheniseeit ,

    Wow you’re right! TIL!

    prole ,

    I initially made the same mistake… “Surely it was too lovey-dovey to not be Jesus. No way it’s that racist, jealous, petty Yahweh…”

    But nope, Leviticus

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