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nick ,

Darwin smiles down on us

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t wish anyone dead, really. But good, in a way. Leave the fucking turtles alone, we already make it hard enough for them. There’s zero reason to kill and eat a bunch.

Edit: Well, I think there’s zero reason. I have no clue what foods are available where they are or how plentiful they are. But since this is described as a “delicacy” I assume it’s a luxury that could easily be skipped.

JohnEdwa ,

There are three known species of salt-water sea turtles that can cause this type of a death (chelonitoxism) - two of them are Vulnerable, one of them is Endangered.

SoleInvictus ,
@SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

🎶 Toxic marine threatened turtles, toxic marine threatened turtles, toxic marine threatened turtles. Revenge in a half shell, turtle chowder!🎶

Blackmist ,

Whenever something is described as a delicacy I see a bunch of rich cunts eating something that doesn’t even taste good, but it’s expensive so they must have it while looking down their noses at people eating a delicious fry up.

Witchfire ,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what rich people eat, the garbage parts of the food

CptEnder ,

So yeah maybe read the article. Hint: it wasn’t rich people, but indigenous people of Zanzibar. Apparently the dish is a delicacy to them but perhaps culturally significant. Especially if 3 year olds were consuming it (as fucking wild as that is), sounds like a cultural thing. I mean either way people shouldn’t be eating turtles for a lot of reasons, hopefully the Tanzinian government could assist with some education on the subject I dunno.

Mr_Blott ,

I like the way the turtle in the thumbnail looks like “Yeah you fucking deserved that”

Sorgan71 ,

its just a turtle bro

sleepmode ,

Yeah let’s eat this animal that consumes jellyfish like they’re tictacs…

orphiebaby ,

Do… you have a Tic-Tac problem?

Frozengyro ,

It’s not a 'problem ’ and I can totally stop anytime!

hakunawazo ,

I just decided not to stop right now.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Holy fuck, the Wikipedia article for Chelonitoxism is crazy. No wonder everyone is dead or fucked up.

Children are especially susceptible, and the toxins have been reported to transfer readily via breastfeeding, even when the mother experiences no illness.

Motherfucking toxin from the Alien movies

Digestive system signs include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, dysphagia, tongue abnormalities and a firm, nontender liver. Autopsies have revealed hemorrhage in liver, esophagus and stomach, with mucosal edema of the esophagus, stomach and intestines. Fatty changes and necrosis of the liver were present. Other organs found to be abnormal on autopsy include swollen gall bladder, congested kidneys and enlarged spleen.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelonitoxism

Burn_The_Right ,

Goddamn. I have a feeling some of them aren’t done dying yet.

chili1553 ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3d827dbe-c621-492f-a935-71d677e1ee17.webm

where_am_i ,

A lesson to a bunch of dumb tourists.

ryven ,
@ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

How did you learn they were tourists? Is there a better article?

asteriskeverything ,

Eight children and an adult died

wahming ,

It’s a traditional island thing, what are you talking about?

homesweethomeMrL ,

Yeah, don’t . . . . don’t eat sea turtles, okay.

Everybody? Like if you were sitting around rubbing your belly and licking your lips going “Mmmm mmmm wish I had a big sea turtle meat dish right now”, like - don’t. Okay?

Just leave the sea turtles alone. They got enough hassles.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed! Leave the turtles alone!

And the cows. And the pigs. And the chickens. They all have enough problems.

RazorsLedge ,

Found the compassionate individual.

Stoney_Logica1 ,

Their username is a clue.

meekah ,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

The comment you’re replying to is already a reference to the username

harderian729 ,

Everyone who downvoted this should know that pigs are raised in pens where they don’t have enough room to turn around and have to sleep and give birth in their own shit.

But hey, the narwhal bacons at midnight, right?

dangblingus ,

The juvenile preoccupation with shaming vegans online is so fucking exhausting and annoying. You’d think the existence of vegans and the idea of eating less meat to reduce overall cruelty was like asking them to sell their child into slavery.

harderian729 ,

People would rather do anything than admit their contribution to the problem.

I see it all the time.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I raise my own pigs in large pens and they are treated well until slaughter.

What are your feelings on that?

inb4_FoundTheVegan , (edited )
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

That you are slaughtering them. So you aren’t testing them well at all. That’s just a thing you say so you can feel better about knowingly causing harm. Do you treat your cat well until you kill the for the pleasure of their body? Do you treat your dog well until someone pays you enough to kill it?

Being nice to a creature before murdering it doesn’t absolve the murder. Not causing harm in another is the standard for ethical behavior, not you going the extra mile.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I do a rudimentary arithmetic and geometry test before slaughter.

They’re not going to live forever in nature and I give them a very good life.

Plus all the great meats come from pig.

Bacon, ham, and all the other great porky bits.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

They’re not going to live forever in nature and I give them a very good life.

Again. Does not absolve murder. Literally no one will live forever, but that’s not a reason why you can kill your neighbors.

Plus all the great meats come from pig.

Harming a creature for your own personal pleasure is the logic of dog fighting. You don’t need to watch that as entertainment just as you don’t need to kill for the enjoyment of food.

I feel like you using very selfish reasoning. Does assault, rape or murder become moral if I enjoy it enough?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Meat is great and I enjoy it.

I do not enjoy taking to you so good bye.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough, but I made my stance clear from the start and you literally asked for my opinion on your situation specifically so I’m not gonna hound you or anything.

I just think you have cognitive dissonance around a cultural norm, but lots of people do for lots of different topics so that doesn’t make you a bad person.

Have a good night.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Everyone who downvoted this should know that pigs are raised in pens where they don’t have enough room to turn around and have to sleep and give birth in their own shit.

But none of that is the reason you have a problem with raising pigs because if they are treated well you still have a problem with the raising and slaughter of animals for food so no you did not make your stance clear.

I asked your opinion and I got a lecture that I didn’t ask for.

exocrinous ,

I’m gonna lock you in my basement and give you lots of tasty food and nice magazines before I butcher and eat you. Yum!

Witchfire ,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

And the humans

macrocephalic ,

Ok, so there’s a risk of death. If I’m on a desert island then I’ll risk it, otherwise I’ll avoid.

dataprolet ,
@dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The saddest is that it’s children who probably had no clue and no way of deciding.

harderian729 ,

It’s painfully obvious that some cultures just haven’t learned these lessons yet.

It would be awesome if this encouraged some young people to be proactive in learning about what they eat.

ConstipatedWatson , (edited )

This is tragic.

While the Wikipedia page lists food poisonings from sea turtles as rare, it still feels like a Russian Roulette kind of meal.

Would you eat something knowing that there is a nonzero chance it might kill you (as in really off you, not just give you a bad night at the bathroom)?

I suppose the answer is a lot of people would, since the article itself mentioned another recent poisoning.

It reminds me of the blowfish which is also lethally poisonous if not handled by someone who’s certified to do so.

I suppose everything in life has a risk and I’ve done my share of reckless things, but rolling the dice on food never appealed to me.

Edit: fixed grammar

Hadriscus ,

Yea a while ago 20 people died at a wedding in Mada after being served Turtle. Hawksbill or Green, not sure. I should find the news article but I’m too lazy and it’s late. Hawksbill is supposed to never be edible. Over here in Mayotte there are still poachers

Jerkface ,

I think we’re just kind of bad at evaluating risks of a relatively low order. In the US, E coli kills some 3000 people a year, and most of us have exposure to that risk. It might just be that people don’t see much of a difference between chances in the range of, say, 0.1% and 0.00001% of serious illness.

HappyRedditRefugee ,

I wouldn’t eat something that could kill me, but I def will ingest something like that. But hey that’s just me.

harderian729 ,

if not handled by someone who’s certified to do so.

Just wanna say, you can be uncertified and handle it properly and certified while handling it improperly.

Fisk400 ,

I wonder if this is a case of the illness being lethal or the hospitals being bad.

Hadriscus ,

it is lethal, yet people keep eating them

BreakDecks ,

If only there was an article you could read about this incident that would answer your question…

Fisk400 ,

I did read the article. In the west with modern healthcare we routinely survive things that would have killed someone with worse healthcare. The article doesn’t discuss that. It just states that people died and what illness killed them.

Pistcow ,

Kill from the Grave

regrub ,

Had to look up why sea turtle meat would kill, since it’s not reported in the article. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelonitoxism

ninjan ,

Huh, fascinating stuff. Wonder what triggers it

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

cyanobacteria infection of the turtle. it can also happen if they dont parboil the turtle meat correctly. that’s the best i could find using an Internet search

wahming ,

Wikipedia notes that the likely cause is a neurotoxin. Apparently it’s an area of little research, though.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Sea turtle meat is considered a delicacy by Zanzibar’s people even though it periodically results in deaths from chelonitoxism, a type of food poisoning.

Second paragraph.

metaStatic ,

Typical NBC not embedding an entire wikipedia page in their article. smh my head.

FiniteBanjo ,

It’s incredible, I’ve never seen a disease with so little information on the actual mechanism behind it. The articles just lists where it happens and every symptom you can think of. The word Chelonitoxin itself just refers to the scientific name of these turtles Chelonia followed by toxin.

I dug a little deeper and found this:

Salmonella sp., Proteus sp., Aeromonas, Escherichia coli, Citrobacter sp., Enterobacter sp., Klebsiella sp., Morganella morganii, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Salmonella sp. and Shigella sp. are some of the pathogenic microorganisms found in this study. Some of these microorganisms are common bacterial flora of nesting green turtles (Santoro et al., 2006).

So it looks like the gut biome of the turtles is capable of killing humans. My first guess was going to be the diet of the turtles.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

The ‘why’ is lacking in the wiki article too, unfortunately.

xkbx ,

Cowabunga! That’s one sick turtle 😎

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Turtle Power!

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

ZANZIBAR, Tanzania — Eight children and an adult died and 78 other people were hospitalized after eating sea turtle meat on Pemba Island in the Zanzibar archipelago, authorities said Saturday.

Sea turtle meat is considered a delicacy by Zanzibar’s people even though it periodically results in deaths from chelonitoxism, a type of food poisoning.

The adult who died late Friday was the mother of one of the children who succumbed earlier, said the Mkoani District medical officer, Dr. Haji Bakari.

Bakari told The Associated Press that laboratory tests had confirmed all the victims had eaten sea turtle meat.

Authorities in Zanzibar, which is a semi-autonomous region of the East African nation of Tanzania, sent a disaster management team led by Hamza Hassan Juma, who urged people to avoid consuming sea turtles.

In November 2021, seven people, including a 3-year-old, died on Pemba after eating turtle meat, while three others were hospitalized.

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