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Rade0nfighter ,
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But what the employees do with their new found free time?

Develop independence, or even, compete with us? No no can’t have that.

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

Exactly, wouldn’t want the slaves to get ideas.

maegul ,
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It feels like the big elephant in the room about shorter work weeks and more remote work is that lower level employee productivity is not the issue with them (likely at all).

And it isn’t even that managers and higher-ups have some biases against such schemes (which they certainly do).

It’s that such schemes put a clearer focus on the actual role managers and higher-ups are supposed to be performing, namely organising employees and their tasks and priorities into coherent and well-planned projects. Managers are, on average, not actually good at this. And the problem is systemic … the average work culture doesn’t have a good sense of what this looks like. Instead, there are “glue people” all over the place, working beyond their roles to fill in the gaps and keep things together.

But, with a less “monolithic”, co-located and co-active workforce, the need for actual coordination beyond “do the things! LFG!!” becomes very real, and very anxious for people who either don’t know how to do that or don’t want the world to find out that things were actually working fine in spite of their inability to do it. A remote and discretely scheduled workforce necessarily asks accountability questions like “who is responsible for planning this?” and “this isn’t my responsibility, you need to get someone else to do it” etc.

Managers and higher-ups aren’t comfortable with their actual value being scrutinised more closely. And in many ways, it’s actually understandable … as they likely don’t know the answer themselves.

haui_lemmy ,

I think this was actually the first time someone put it this way and me reading it. I felt this way for years but never did I actually stop and think about this in such a manner. Maybe also because it is discouraged to talk about it.

I think this deserves its own post.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Thanks for the complement … and I’m glad my hot take resonates. If you like you can paste this into your own post (and just link back here or whatever if you want to cite me).

Your own experience realising that you’ve felt this but not been able to talk about it could be a very interesting addition or framing and is also probably deserving of its own post!

Viking_Hippie ,

Aww, you guys are sweet!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a26088e2-a89f-4d44-8036-4a1f1c2ae3b6.jpeg

Kidding aside, you’re definitely onto something vis a vis insecure and quite likely incompetent middlemen!

trolololol ,

As a middleman that’s certainly not insecure and hopefully not incompetent I don’t know what to say.

BUT I agree with most of it, as long as it doesn’t apply to me.

Viking_Hippie ,

As a middleman (…) I agree (…) as long as it doesn’t apply to me

There, summed it up for you 😛

saltesc ,

I wish it were that simple. There’s also personality and behaviour differences in people. Some people simply suck at working alone or remotely and it fucking sucks to be their manager because guess who has to work onsite now?

Even if my current team was like my previous ones where everyone could 100% remote—hell, I saw one guy every six months or so and let another travel Europe remote working—theres’s personalities that loooooooove seeing everyone at work and 0.6 of their FTE is socialising. Work is getting out of the house and away from the family. They complain that no one’s at the office to get paid to talk to.

shani66 ,

And those people need to find a damn hobby!

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

They have one, it’s called getting paid to socialize at work

maegul ,
@maegul@lemm.ee avatar

And what about the people that suck at working at the office? And those that don’t get any or are not interested in a work based social life?

Reality is that there’s diversity and lots of in betweens. Thus diversity and flexibility and the value of managers in bringing it all together (like maybe they were always supposed to?)

Valmond ,

So true!

Since I started to answer more “who plannified that?”, "who decided we should do this/that? instead of like “we’ll try to make it work mext sprint” and taking obvious flak, things are way more calm nowadays.

In my last job, productivity was through the roof when the managers were on holidays.

PugJesus ,

I wonder what excuse they used to shut it down

HowManyNimons ,

“It’s woooooooooooke!”

Username02 ,

“Now jobs are supposed to be miserable, so joy is canceled”

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

Considering it was in Japan they probably got off by just saying it was an experiment and the results would be evaluated (in the trash compactor). Japan is notably risk averse.

Angry_Autist ,

And also values the appearance of productivity over actual productivity.

See: Their silly fake running in the hallways.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

To shut down what? By design, that was a short trial:

The company introduced a program this summer in Japan called the “Work Life Choice Challenge,” which shut down its offices every Friday in August and gave all employees an extra day off each week.

And like any short trial, it doesn’t answer the question whether the increased productivity would stay over longer periods of time. Other trials suggest that it wouldn’t.

solsangraal ,

4 day work week will never become the norm no matter what the studies say, if for no other reason than that the owner class will never allow the bottom rung people to start thinking that they can have what they want. especially if it’s something they’re asking for

Angry_Autist ,

Which is why I advocate for returning the owner class to the carbon cycle as soon as possible. The world cannot be healed while those that control it profit from its death.

trolololol ,

Mate there was a point in time that 7 year olds worked 12h day 6 days a week, and neither women nor people without land were able to vote. Do you think things improved after conversations?

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