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FlyingSquid ,
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It’s also not the Tree of Knowledge, it’s the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And that presents a problem:

If Adam and Eve did not yet understand what is and is not a good thing to do, they could not possibly have understood that it was not good to disobey God. Eve did not know the serpent was evil. And yet he punishes Adam and Eve for doing what they did not realize was wrong of them to do.

DarkDarkHouse ,
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Consider that it is the knowledge itself that cast us down.

FlyingSquid ,
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It doesn’t matter. They were being punished for something they didn’t know not to do.

Crazyslinkz ,

Ignorance of the law is no excuse or whatever 🙄

saltesc ,

Go a step before that. Why’d God put the tree there in the first place?

God created sin, introduced it to humanity, and ensured evil would spread across the earth.

FlyingSquid ,
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True. He even admits it in Isaiah:

Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

LennethAegis ,
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Can't have light without dark. Can't have good without evil. Otherwise you just have boring stagnation. God likes chaos and excitement, not boring safety.

FlyingSquid ,
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Why can’t you have light without dark? If you sped up all the molecules in the universe to the point that they were all radiating heat, you would have light without dark.

LennethAegis ,
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You win this round, science.

ChocoboRocket , (edited )

Only if that heat radiation would be evenly distributed - otherwise you would have a gradient which still results in duality of light/dark

There are also places that are relatively empty, which would result in a more typical darkness

Also, speeding everything in existence up to the point of luminance is kind of tricky, what with natural law and all

Ageroth ,

Pretty sure almost all the matter we can interact with does produce blackbody radiation

NielsBohron ,
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Plus, admitting that God cannot create light without dark or good without evil means admitting God is not omnipotent.

radix ,
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Christians: God is Lawful Good.
God: Actually more like Chaotic Neutral.

JackGreenEarth ,

*Chaotic evil

callouscomic ,

God likes Nascar?

dustyData ,

It always complete the picture to understand that the creation myth used in the Bible was not Jewish or Christian in origin. It was an appropriation of a pagan myth of the era. Like most Christianity, it is just a syncretism to make the cult palatable to the newly recruited. “Oh yes, that thing that you already believe in was totally our god”.

FlyingSquid ,
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I think all major religious myths, like languages themselves, are derivative of previous myths on some level. Sure, there was a proto-mythology at some point, but it expanded, changed, etc. until it divided into multiple religions. And, of course, Judaism beget Christianity beget Islam, but all of them took other religious myths that were popular at the time and wove them into the tapestry.

ruko24 ,

You should check out the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. He points out the importance of the name of the tree and has really interesting anthropological theories regarding the origin of the Adam and Eve story.

RobotToaster ,

The Gnostic interpretation always made more sense to me. The serpent being a form of Christ.

Aurenkin ,

Also God kinda lied to them or at least deceived them by saying they’ll die if they eat the fruit from memory.

zaph ,

And yet he punishes Adam and Eve for doing what they did not realize was wrong of them to do.

You say this like punishing people who don’t understand the rules isn’t a fundamental part of christianity.

FlyingSquid ,
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Adam and Eve was pre-Christianity though.

bizarroland ,

Side note, and God created the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil. God created everything. Therefore, God created evil.

Further, God does evil.

After the flood, there is a line that says "and God repented of the evil he had done"

And to me, that just basically means that evil is circumstantial. Not that there is a pure drop of evil in the universe, but rather that a thing that is meant to be a good thing can be an evil thing based on its interpretation.

To whit: it wasn't evil that Adam and Eve were naked. God made them that way. And yet because they became aware of it and changed a innocent thing into an evil thing, that is what the evil was.

samus12345 ,
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“Eat the fucking fruit!”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY

Boozilla ,
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It’s been depicted as various things in old art and literature. Apple is very common. But you also find figs, grapes, pomegranates, and occasionally pears. Probably some others I missed.

Cephalotrocity ,

It actually being a durian would have been too on the nose.

Infynis ,

Apple is probably the most common interpretation because a lot of languages use it as kind of a vague fruit term, and the Bible has been retranslated and reinterpreted roughly one million times. The French call potatoes apples

GregorGizeh ,

The french call potatoes earth apples. Pomme de terre.

It is also an older german term for them, though I believe austria still uses it: Erdapfel.

Jeeve65 ,

Same in Dutch: aardappel (aard=earth, appel=apple)

DarkThoughts ,

Not to be confused with the Pferdeapfel.

Deebster ,
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Including English: æppel meant any kind of fruit, which is why you have names like pineapple and elephant apple.

Aurenkin ,

Only a few know the truth, it was a tomato. I know because the way that it is.

ohwhatfollyisman ,

nice try, Tim Cook.

minibyte ,

It’s common knowledge Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. I’m not sure why because it doesn’t say that anywhere in the Bible.

Well, I do. It was the easiest way to suppress women’s power in the church and in general.

MacStache ,

It was probably butt. Buttfruit. Eating ass was the forbidden fruit.

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