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scala ,

It’s amazing we stopped using the “plastic” from plant matter, which is renewable vs petroleum plastic.

RizzRustbolt ,

Petro-plastics got (and continue to recieve) massive government subsidies in order to be “competetive” against bio-plastics.

gandalf_der_12te ,
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… well, in its defense, if it weren’t subsidized, renewable plastics would indeed be cheaper, but only at the expense of huge areas of farmable land and the rainforest. So it’s either “consume 300% of the planet’s fertile land to produce plastics” or “subsidize oil”.

gandalf_der_12te ,
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Well yeah, “renewable” in itself is only good in certain contexts, such as solar and wind energy.

When it comes to renewable biomass, which by definition is renewable too, it’s not so friendly to the environment anymore. It consumes huge areas and destroys the rainforest to plant even more economically usable plants. Such as soy, cotton, …

So i’d rather see huge amounts of underground oil being consumed, than the same amount of biomass out of the rainforest being consumed.

HappyTimeHarry ,

This is why I pretty much ignore whatever my recycle pickup says is “not recyclable”. They say for example not to put used pizza boxes into recycling, even though pretty much every pizza box says “please recycle”. Fuck that, If something has that arrow label on it, I don’t care what number it is it’s going in “recycling” and they can deal with it.

exanime ,

Those arrow cycle logo are part of the problem. It’s a plastic classification system and has nothing to do with recycling; the industry made them so similar to the recycling logo to confuse people into thinking all plastic can be recycled

BradleyUffner ,

That’s significantly more than I was expecting.

Nightwingdragon ,

Think of all the energy used in collecting the plastic (gas, oil, and emissions from dump trucks that pick it up, for example), sorting it, disposing of what isnt recyclable, and actually recycling the stuff.

Im no expert but I believe that overall recycling as we do it is actually a net negative on the environment. We’re probably doing more harm than good.

Notyou ,

We’re probably doing more harm than good.

That’s probably an extremely underrated statement that you can use to describe many topics.

Aurora_TheFirstLight ,

Well we can move cars with electricity so i guess it could do some good as some point

That said I’m in the train of let’s actually accelerate climate change it’s not like no one is going to move a finger till it gets really bad so why should we extend the suffering

BastingChemina ,

It’s because plastic is do durable that 91% of the plastic ever produced is still in use, right ?

Right ???

mechoman444 ,

The other 91% end up in the Pacific ocean.

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