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MagnyusG ,

toy guns have been a thing since before your grandparent’s grandparents were born, slapping ‘fidget’ to them doesn’t suddenly make them new. not to mention these look like they’re made by the same people who made the viral “carrot” knife Korea was freaking out about.

Varyk OP ,

Not entirely new, but US mass shootings happening twice a day are new and the hip new toy craze is teaching kids and adults to be comfortable pulling triggers on cute guns?

To “relieve anxiety”?

Not the same as pushing a hoop down the street with a stick.

dohpaz42 ,
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I believe everybody should learn about guns: how to handle them, and how to shoot them. I imagine that could go a long way toward addressing some gun issues (like accidental shootings). It wouldn’t be a silver bullet; I’m not that naive, but kids learning gun safety might not be a bad thing.

That said, I don’t care how colorful they make them, whether out of plastic or metal, there is no reason to make guns into toys. That clearly sends the wrong message.

I do enjoy nerf guns, so I’d consider them exceptions. Their designs, that I’ve seen, do not resemble real guns. But I understand not everyone may feel the same way and would want to abolish them too.

Varyk OP , (edited )

Education can be helpful, but I don’t think mandatory childhood education on deadly weapons is necessary or would be significantly helpful with respect to the US shootings problem.

In this case, as you have pointed out, there’s no educational benefit getting people comfortable solely pulling triggers and treating guns as toys.

dual_sport_dork ,
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Don’t ever call a Nerf gun a “gun” in front of Hasbro any dedicated Nerf Nerds.

They are quite insistent that are “blasters,” specifically to disassociate them from firearms.

LodeMike ,

Yeah my only issue with these things is the absence of an orange tip.

teft ,
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If it isn’t illegal to sell and someone can make money off of an idiot, it will be sold.

Varyk OP ,

And people say idiots aren’t good for anything

someguy3 ,

Ok I understand kinda get fidget spinners, but how is this a fidget thing at all?

SirDerpy , (edited )

A typical modern handgun will have a hammer, safety, magazine release, and trigger. (edit: no, a modern handgun will have a firing pin instead of a hammer) There’s a pattern for correct usage that’s easily repeatable and committed to memory. It’s great for fidgeting.

The problem is that using gun as a fidget toy will totally fuck up discipline for all four of the fundamental firearm safety rules (for when it’s not a toy):

  1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
  1. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  1. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
  1. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
someguy3 ,

Modern guns have a firing pin instead of a hammer, though this says 1911. I still have a tough time seeing it fulfill a fidgeting role, I see it as more of a toy.

SirDerpy ,

You’re obviously right about the firing pin. Also right about why I made the mistake.

As a fidget toy it’s like dry fire practice without regard for safety discipline. But, it seems like a means to irresponsibly teach breakdown & reassembly.

Fuck_u_spez_ ,

Sorry for the pedantry but modern guns also have magazines rather than clips.

SirDerpy ,

A clip feeds a magazine. A magazine feeds the firearm.

I’m trying to reinforce my knowledge by sharing. But, I’m obviously making too many mistakes to do it well. We’re on the same team trying to serve the community whole.

Thank you for correcting me.

Fixed my post above.

dual_sport_dork ,
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All modern guns* have firing pins. The firing pin is the part that pokes the primer to set off the cartridge.

However, they may or may not have externally accessible hammers. Some are on the outside and can be cocked with a thumb, e.g. the 1911 or Beretta M92/M9 and most revolvers. Some have internal hammers which are fully encapsulated by the slide or receiver and can’t be directly accessed without disassembly. This includes many modern rifles, for instance. And further, some guns may have “strikers” rather than hammers. The difference is a bit pedantic and basically boils down to strikers rarely being externally accessible, and usually their spring action being linear rather than the rotation movement of a hammer. Some people argue that any internal hammer is actually a striker. Others ague that the mechanism on, say, a Mosin-Nagant is a hammer and not a striker even though its action is clearly linear but it is externally accessible, etc., etc.

Regardless of which you have, a hammer or a striker, the end result is the same: Some manner of spring loaded mechanical dingus whacks into the firing pin, which in turn strikes the primer, which ignites and fires the shot.

(* Before additional pedantry rears its head, that is to say all modern fixed cartridge loading, primer fired guns. We’ll leave out any exotic novelties like guns firing caseless ammunition or electrically initiated primers, etc., which essentially do not exist as consumer products yet. This also excludes reproduction percussion cap guns, which may be “modern” in that they’re still being made, but utilize pre-turn-of-the-centruy mechanisms that usually involve the hammer landing directly on a percussion cap with no firing pin in between.)

Varyk OP ,

To “relieve their anxiety”, apparently.

You know how you relieve your anxiety when you pull the trigger of a gun?

Me neither, but-

I was going to cap this off by listing all the mass shooters who “relieved anxiety” as a joke, but I hate repeating their names and this toy and the entire shooting situation is too obscene for me to joke about right here.

tigeruppercut ,

So a toy gun with the word “fidget” slapped on by someone in marketing?

NOT_RICK ,
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Toy guns are hardly an American phenomenon.

jam12705 ,

Sold by a Chinese company

Varyk OP ,

Yyyyup.

Relieve anxiety.

“Relieve anxiety”.

Disgusting

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