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notepass ,

As much as I like the anti-car think, this really shouldn’t be blamed completely on cars. Especially in the US, pedestrian infrastructure in general is lacking. This includes thinks like sidewalks, but also proper lighting at places where people could be (See the sample image of a petrol station in the article, why are there no lights there?).

Additionaly, a lot of people dress dark with no reflection surfaces whatsoever (And some ciclelysts are insane enough to go without light at night). Try wearing stuff with some build-in reflectors at night. It does not need to be an ugly big yellow patch for that. I own a backpack with nicely worked in reflectory surfaces which makes me highly visible at night.

Ofc there is also a component to the Cars and drivers here, but if thermal cameras are the first solution someone can come up with, maybe the start needs to be somewhere else.

Overall: If I can see someone jaywalking on the autobahn about 800m in front of me while going 180kph and can react to that, the cities and villages in the US should probably have something similar in lighting and overall road elsetup.

grue ,

Especially in the US, pedestrian infrastructure in general is lacking.

“Pedestrian infrastructure” is really car infrastructure, because it’s designed for the benefit of cars to get pedestrians out of the way.

By all rights, the entire street has been “pedestrian infrastructure” for thousands of years.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Clearly you’ve never met some assholes on bikes.

justJanne ,

How is someone using the road to get to work, school or the grocery store automatically an asshole just because they use a bicycle instead of an SUV or a horse-drawn carriage? Don’t they have the same right to use a lane of the road as you do?

(Not talking about lycra-wearing racing-bike cyclists using the road as gym here)

notepass ,

The part that is shared with cars is, yes. Still doesn’t mean that it should be shit. This problem is there because it does suck. The US is a stand out in regards to non-car safety in a bad way. Trying to blame it on cars only is stupid. Demand better infrastructure, not even more bloat on cars.

WTFBBQ ,

I do a lot of night driving and haven’t killed anyone.

I don’t need a thermal camera to pay attention to the road in front of me. Drive to the conditions.

TheGrandNagus ,

This is so fucking stupid because you can apply it to literally any safety standard.

I do a lot of driving and have never needed a seatbelt.

I do a lot of driving and I’ve never needed ABS.

I do a lot of driving and I’ve never needed disc brakes.

I do a lot of driving and I’ve never needed modern headlights.

I do a lot of driving and I’ve never needed a properly developed crash structure.

And of course it’s not just driving:

I don’t wear a hardhat or any other protective gear for my job. It’s never done me any harm.

Etc.

Pedestrians and cyclists in the dark can be almost impossible to see until you’re very close, if they’re wearing dark clothes. It’s not a bad thing to be able to see them better.

custard_swollower ,

This is so fucking stupid because you can apply it to literally any safety standard.

And then you write something exactly opposite.

OP writes about “drive to the conditions” which is like… Your responsibility as the driver. If you can’t react to people on the road, slow down.

And you write about being recless.

TheGrandNagus ,

And then you write something exactly opposite.

No I didn’t. What I proceeded to write lines up 100% with what I said prior.

OP writes about “drive to the conditions” which is like… Your responsibility as the driver. If you can’t react to people on the road, slow down.

Having no safety standards and leaving everything to “just do what you think is right” is a recipe for disaster.

I can’t even believe this needs to be explained.

custard_swollower ,

It’s not about not using safety standards.

It’s about learning how to drive in a way that you won’t put anyone else in danger.

Safety fearures are only a tool, you are the person who controls a 2000 pound vehicles that can kill others, so drive responsibly.

TheGrandNagus ,

It’s exactly about that.

Oh you’re saying I shouldn’t run people over???

Obviously you should drive responsibly. Where did I say otherwise?

Shitting on better safety protocols is idiotic. You can’t just rely on 100% of people to behave flawlessly at all times. That’s why we have seatbelts and crash structures and ABS, etc etc.

Treczoks ,

Like the case with the paintball guy a few years ago. Someone was driving on a road in the woods at night when he suddenly hit a guy - dressed in dark camo, face blackened, etc, anything not to be seen - who came running out of the woods onto the road. He was a paintballer being persued by members of the opposite team. The car took him out of the game, though.

solidsnake2085 ,
@solidsnake2085@lemmy.world avatar

Probably because people are tired or drunk. Thermal Imaging won’t fix that.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

I know I am part of the problem, but the number of people walking around in dark colors and dark jackets at night baffles me. Bonus points if they are jaywalking because they have the right of way.

Combine that with spending any time after sunset either partially blind from super bright LEDs or fully blind from high beams and yeah. Constantly having to drive defensively and try to spot potential hazards a mile ahead in the brief window of just being partially blinded.

So I am all for some thermals I can glance at

Capricorn_Geriatric ,

Bonus points if they are jaywalking because they have the right of way.

What does this even mean?

CmdrShepard ,

It means someone isn’t using a crosswalk but still has the right of way by virtue of being a pedestrian.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Yeah. Maybe it is different where others live but it is incredibly common for people to just say “fuck it” because they know others will stop or swerve. Happens in cars and on foot

grue ,

It means he’s confused and has fallen for the automakers’ propaganda.

n3cr0 ,

Judging by the heading, most people driving at night must be blind and speeding. Just keeps your eyes open and drive responsibly!

drahardja ,

Cadillac and Mercedes have had thermal cameras on their cars since the early 2000s. There is probably enough data from their vehicles to see if this technology actually helps reduce collisions at night.

Brkdncr ,

Anyone remember those Cadillacs that had thermal night vision?

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