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    0110010001100010 ,
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    Not OP, but is this one better? computerworld.com/…/apple-gets-ready-for-app-side…

    SVcross ,
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    Side loading and OS modding would be the only thing that could make migrate.

    akilou ,

    Changing their business model from walled garden lock-in would be the only thing that’d make me consider migrating.

    Aatube ,
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    ackstually, you can kinda sideload up to two apps already

    M500 ,

    How?

    lilcs420 ,

    Sideloady

    M500 ,

    Would this allow me to sideload apps that are region restricted?

    I’m from the US but live in Asia. The local version of Amazon is restricted to accounts from this country.

    I have to use the web app, but the web app is incomplete, I can check order status or message sellers or even contact customer support.

    I’d love to be able to do this.

    nave ,

    You can try it out but in my experience “official apps” are more hit or miss on whether they’ll work.

    M500 ,

    Thanks! It’s been my biggest problem living in a different country.

    ArtificialLink , (edited )

    Generally, as far as I understand side loaded apps work as long as you don’t reboot your phone. Which is kind of a major issue. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the way apples current side loading works just isn’t very applicable with day-to-day use.

    Edit: you may be able to bypass this restriction, but as far as I know side loading apps onto Apple phones is extremely difficult. Even jailbreaking an iPhone is extremely limited unless you have a really comprehensive knowledge and then even at that point it is still extremely difficult and relies on people who are very good at what they do. But due to apples restrictions are still not as good as just something you could do out of the box with an Android. In full disclosure, it’s been a very long time since I’ve ever properly used an Apple product. The last time i jail broke something from Apple was probably my iTouch B way back in like 2014 at the latest maybe? I just haven’t been within that ecosystem in a long time and all my knowledge is just really acquired from kind of observing what is around. And cursorly looking into it. For me, I have no reason to ever want to go back to an iPhone. Even if I could side load apps, the restriction of where I can place icons on my home screen frustrates me to no end. Especially as phones have evolved and gotten larger its just like it’s such a old school bygone concept. I don’t even understand why they’re so insistent on keeping it.

    Aatube ,
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    What? I think you've heavily confused sideloading with jailbreaking. The apps don't disappear after you reboot. You just have to have it refresh every 7 days. With SideStore you don't even need another computer to do stuff. It's convenient as long as you don't need more than 2 other apps. You do NOT need to jailbreak to sideload. If you jailbreak, you can "sideload" infinite apps.

    ArtificialLink ,

    Okay that’s good to know. Still generally sounds like a giant pain in the ass

    Aatube ,
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    As long as the app doesn't need advanced features like VPN configurations, any app from any region would be fine.

    M500 ,

    It’s just a shopping app. I’m sure it would work fine. Any advice on how I can find the actual app to add with sideloady?

    Aatube ,
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    A couple of years ago when I was trying to find official IPAs I used appcake. You probably want to grab an adblocker (preferably ublock origin) before visiting

    Also, again, I recommend using SideStore (with on-demand activation in wireguard, which I've made a PR for) which will auto-refresh

    M500 ,

    Thanks! I just checked and the app I need is not there. I think I’ll just keep maintaining a second phone.

    Aatube ,
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    Do you have payment methods on your Apple ID? Even if you don’t, you can try to switch your region on the Apple ID website. When it asks for payment method, choose “none”.

    M500 ,

    So, can I do this then switch back to my current region? Maybe this is what I need to do to get all the apps that I need.

    Aatube ,
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    Yeah, though you may have to switch back and forth to update

    M500 ,

    Omg! Why is it so annoying? Like I can’t even get one of my banking apps. I can’t believe that there is not a better solution as there are many people who live between countries.

    Aatube ,
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar

    No not sideloady, SideStore

    Petter1 ,

    altStore

    Aatube ,
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar

    SideStore (with on-demand activation in wireguard, which I've made a PR for)

    ArtificialLink , (edited )

    Only thing that would make me use an iphone is side loading and the ability to place my icons wherever i want. Its crazy to me that icons have to start in the top left. The hardest place to reach especially as phones have gotten bigger. Such a dumb restriction.

    quicksand ,

    That’s really a thing? Wow. Guess you can install a bunch of junk apps to fill that corner so you can reach the stuff you actually use lol

    lud ,

    I believe you can place widgets now which would fill some of the space, still very stupid though.

    cole ,
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    also lifting that stupid ban on other browser engines, and I’d like to see the ability to change more default app stuff

    SVcross ,
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    Yeah, that too

    sickmatter ,
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    If this turns out to be EU-only, then it’ll be useful for niche apps and ones that aren’t normally allowed (like emulators, third party YouTube apps, and other cool shit), but it won’t be commercially useful for the titans of tech like Google and Meta. Not a bad start.

    JasSmith ,

    The EU is a huge market. Microsoft, for example, is already building their own app store to take advantage of the DMA. Let’s hope that the change puts pressure on regulators in other regions.

    M500 ,

    I’m really hoping this happens. I’d like to write a few iOS apps for personal use, but I don’t want to pay fees to be a developer.

    Vub ,

    Hmm, aren’t the costs only for publishing on the app store and you can import an app from your own xcode for free? At least I was under that impression.

    pixely ,

    You can only install 3 self-signed apps at a time, and they expire after 7 days. It’s meant to make it difficult for anything other than development purposes.

    M500 ,

    Came here to say that. Expiring every 7 days is too troublesome to be worth it.

    xts ,

    It’s not, at least not on a Mac. It refreshes automatically, I honestly haven’t refreshed my apps in months outside of upgrading to iOS 17.

    Petter1 ,

    Hope we get dolphin iOS 🥹 without the hassle

    dorumon ,

    Doubt Apple will allow JIT to run on their specific region sideloading.

    Petter1 ,

    😭 i fear as well

    dorumon ,

    Good news is you’d probably be able to run a torrent client or anything else that doesn’t require JIT code in order to function.

    Petter1 ,

    Yea 😃 I’m looking forward playing the older emulators

    JasSmith ,

    The DMA requires Apple to provide access to all hardware and software features required to serve competing apps and services. Browser engines are explicitly mentioned several times, and these require JIT access. It’s going to be interesting to see how they implement that.

    dorumon ,

    Oh really thats neat! Well I hope it comes here in the states or else my current iPhone will probably be the last I’ll ever use once the battery degrades enough or it no longer gets support. I really don’t want to have to pay 20 dollars for a signing service and a abunch of outdated apps or be tethered to a computer to use JIT ever again and I would rather just use my android phone for everything.

    realitista ,

    Does that mean I will finally get browser plugins on Firefox?

    Draconic_NEO ,
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    Would probably have to be a Firefox Fork. Companies like Mozilla aren’t known to officially support Homebrew type setups, despite the fact they support Open Source Software.

    JasSmith ,

    Yes! And Chrome.

    Tramdan , (edited )

    And all the people who defended the lack of sideloading as a security feature will suddenly think it’s a great idea.

    pastermil ,

    They’re gonna say anything to justify whatever bullshit shoved down their asses.

    Tramdan ,

    That’s a little harsh but it does seem strange that when someone is a fan of a product they will refuse to acknowledge its flaws and will see every change, good or bad, as an improvement. Maybe I’m guilty of the same with the products that I like but Apple provides a lot of examples of this behaviour.

    pastermil ,

    Hey man, I get wanting to turn blind eye to those flaws, but they don’t need to fight people over it…

    Darkenfolk ,

    God enters the chat: got something to say about my perfect creations fuckboi? Wanna join Lucy down below?

    Fishytricks ,

    I still think its a bad idea. Because in my country, the government loves their apps. And being able to bypass the app store will mean that they will force you to install their own “app store”. This would also mean they can put more invasive features in their app.

    Or perhaps I’m overthinking it and my government has the best interest for the people.

    Kyiro ,

    Where do you live?

    JasSmith ,

    This would also mean they can put more invasive features in their app.

    iOS apps will still be sandboxed. You have nothing to fear except whatever data you yourself enter into the app.

    schnurrito ,

    Do they do that now for Android?

    Cethin ,

    I think that’s a problem with your country, not the ability to sideload.

    gornius ,

    The apps still need to request OS for specific permissions before they use things like GPS, mobile data, filesystem etc.

    But the point you’re missing is unless you’re building everything yourself, there is always a party that you have to trust. Apple likes to paint itself as trustworthy when it comes to your data, but all the anti-consumer shenanigans they do when it comes to hardware clearly state that the only thing they care about is money.

    Remember - it’s either convenience with a false sense of security or security. Never both.

    totallynotfbi ,

    From your post history, it looks like you’re in Singapore. If so, then I don’t think that will be a concern - if anything, given how most government apps treat sideloading on the Android side, they’ll probably block you from using them if you use the feature.

    pycorax ,

    Yea the most they do is bundle it with the phone which you can them easily uninstall.

    themurphy ,

    Thanks, EU.

    Please just let this be a global decision, and not like these companies do with GDPR.

    KmlSlmk64 ,
    @KmlSlmk64@lemmy.world avatar

    The Brussels effect: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect

    lord_phantom ,

    Porn. When?

    winkerjadams ,

    You can’t just type it into your browser?

    fne8w2ah ,

    Brussels Effect. 🇪🇺

    Blackmist ,

    Apple May Soon Be Forced To Allow Sideloading Apps on iOS.

    WindowsEnjoyer ,

    “We present you a new, groundbreaking and inovative technology” or some other typical shit Apple does.

    zwaetschgeraeuber ,

    because they are forced to

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