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Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

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toiletobserver ,

Don’t tempt us with a good time

_dev_null ,
@_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

the company may block Google and Bing’s search crawlers, which means *new Reddit posts wouldn’t show up in search results

If something’s indexed, it’s indexed. If something new pops up and the crawler is blocked, then yeah, not indexed.

The vast majority of shit of relevant reddit content showing up in my ddg/google searches, has been at least a year old. And certainly nothing since 31 Jun.

So in my use case, I won’t notice a goddamn difference. What a bunch of maroons.

RGB3x3 ,

The fact that Reddit thinks all that user-generated content is theirs and that they need to protect it from AI is really fucked up.

Reddit itself produces nothing, they wouldn’t exist without the users.

Absolutely pathetic that they may block search crawlers over that.

LetMeEatCake ,

Typical corporate greed in that sense. It’s stupid but I’m not at all surprised by that attitude.

The part that even if they were morally right in that sense… it’s already too late. This is trying to close the barn door not just after the horse left, but after the horse already ran off and made it two states over. There’s definitely value to LLM in having more data and more up to date data, but reddit is far from the only source and I cannot imagine that they possess enough value there to have any serious leverage.

Reddit would/will survive being taken out of internet search results. Not without costs though: it will arrest their growth rate (or accelerate shrink rate, as appropriate) and make people less interested in using the site.

r3df0x ,

Reddit administration thinks the site is too big to fail. Lemmy isn’t a real competitor to them because the decentralization of federation means that joining an instance and trying to navigate the fediverse is a bit too complex for most people. The reason why massively populated social media sites took off is because people like having everything in one place where everyone else is.

What I could see happening is a well-funded startup creates a fork of Lemmy that they use as the basis for their instance and they can customize and develop as they see fit. This instance would be accessible to everyone already on Lemmy, but they could offer one centralized alternative to Reddit where new users don’t have to think about what they need to do to join.

I’m sure that if Lemmy picks up critical mass, it could lower the bar for most people to be willing to jump through the extra hoops. Ultimately federation solves the chicken and egg problem that any social media startup has.

nephs ,

Except lemmy specifically is AGPL and it’s basically impossible to monetise as a startup because they can’t close the source code.

github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/LICENSE

Kbin too:

github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin

They’d have to create their own from scratch.

r3df0x ,

That’s not the end of the world, though it does mean that a competitor could always start using it. I was going to say just use Lemmy but a major site would probably want to have their own fork for stability so they’re not at the whims of someone else.

They could probably use an open fork for a while while also developing their own software that would be compatible and then seamlessly switched out.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Which is fine, ActivityPub is an open protcol. You don’t even need to cleanroom, its all there. The AGPL is a shield against corporate interests, given how things are going that’s a much needed feature.

nephs ,

There’s also strong opinions if open source instances should federate with closed source instances, for reasons of …wikipedia.org/…/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

Darkhoof ,
@Darkhoof@lemmy.world avatar

Joining instances in Lemmy is very simple if you’re using an app like Boost and finding other instances as well. On PC it’s another matter.

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

It should be pretty simple: the user generated content are volunteered by the users for free on reddit, therefore the content should belong to the users.

Same thing as with AI, if an AI model is trained with everyone’s data, then the AI model should be open and available to everyone.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Correct and the issue with their API gating was “Well they obviously value my free content. WHERE’S MY CUT?!”

Free API: I’m not going to complain. Paid API: Guess i’ll use Lemmy

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

There is added value in creating a web platform or an ML model too, but the value should be shared with the content makers.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Lmao my brother in christ, nobody uses Reddit search because Reddit search is complete ass

A_Random_Idiot ,

its really absurd how bing/ddg are better for searching for shit on reddit/amazon/etc than their own built in search engines are.

banneryear1868 ,

socialgrep provides better reddit search than actual reddit

carl_dungeon ,

Do it

Maeve ,

Tbh Reddit and Google need to disappear.

Pyr_Pressure ,

Lol

Literally the only time I use reddit now that my 3rd party app got fucked by spez is when I Google a problem and reddit pops up as the answer.

Will I ever go to reddit and search for my issue? Hell no because their search function is absolutely useless.

Flaky ,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I don’t even use Reddit for that anymore. If I’ve got a problem there’s plenty of forums I can consult for help, or I can post the question here on Lemmy, on the fediverse, on Bluesky, you get the idea.

I managed to get a Windows XP virtual machine working with GPU passthrough thanks to a forum MattKC (tech youtuber who does repairs and reverse engineering) had set up and posted on. Even when I used Reddit, there wasn’t much info on getting BIOS-only versions of Windows working.

margaritox ,

Yea, me too. Although I know wanna stop doing that as well.

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

This would be great for us.

Keep shooting your feet, Reddit! You got this!

randon31415 ,

Lemmy: while you are at it… could you unblock us? Every search for anything on lemmy results in Lemmy Kilmister.

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

To be fair, lemmy is a metal god who deserves top result lol

dalingrin ,

Use “site:lemmy.world” or any other website, without the quotes.

unwinagainstable ,

This would be a huge blow. I use Google a ton to find relevant content on Reddit. It’s still a useful way to find helpful comments even after the mass exodus and deleting of old comments. This seems like it would be much more harmful.

cabron_offsets ,

Fuck Reddit. Can’t say I miss that shithole.

detinu ,

Ngl I miss the early days with much fewer users. I loved it.

Now it’s a pile of social media trash. I still browse it on my PC cuz I’m weak like that, but I managed to dodge it on my mobile.

BarterClub ,

Man, they are going the way of Twitter. Jeez.

8ender ,

This feels like a fairly desperate attempt to get Google to pay them something

Hyzerflip ,

Ding ding ding ding!! It’s telling that this announcement came out after it was disclosed that Google pays Apple 18-20 BILLION A YEAR to be the default search engine on IOS. Spez is trying to tap into that.

Que ,

He’s a greedy little shit who’d rather run the entire platform into the ground for a buck than do anything useful with his life.

He could’ve done great things. He could’ve gone down in history shoulder to shoulder with some of the big guys, instead, he’s been a snivelling backstabbing little fungus from day 1.

RGB3x3 ,

Boy oh boy, think about how valuable being the default on iPhones must be if Google is willing to pay that much money.

That’s a lot of profit off selling people’s data.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t wanna be a buzzkill, but if the FTC/DOJ kill the Apple/Google deal that’s going to impact Mozilla too, which really needs the money from Google as well.

KingThrillgore , (edited )
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

No you can’t. But hey if you wanna make my search results good again, you do you.

Google also has a robots.txt rule to block Bard why not use that? I use it.

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