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Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond about Israel-Hamas war misinformation and violence on X

Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond about Israel-Hamas war misinformation and violence on X::Thierry Breton, the European commissioner for the internal market, warns Elon Musk about disinformation on X related to the Israel-Hamas conflict.

theneverfox ,

Ok, it’s been 24 hours, anyone have an update?

3h5Hne7t1K ,

You gimuyd are on some wikd shit im history

arken ,

Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond

So kinda like… a Final Countdown?

some_guy ,

He’ll fuck this up. I look forward to reading the EU’s chastising later today.

Let’s go Lonnie (you stupid piece of shit), Let’s go!

Chr0nos1 ,

I’m glad that someone is fighting misinformation. What scares me, is if the right wing in the US starts trying to do the same thing. Can you imagine them cracking down on Facebook, X, etc for misinformation like the EU is doing? It would only be Biden conspiracies and pro Trump propaganda allowed. Good thing we aren’t giving our government that power.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Moms of Liberty enters the chat

locuester ,

Absolutely. We should never give the government the right to censor the Internet.

salvador ,

24 hours for Elon Musk to replace the truth he’s said with a lie which Europe would like to hear.

Treczoks ,

Any updates on the situation? The 24h period must be done by now.

dynamojoe ,

I have the same question. I hope the reply is published.

DuncanIdaho ,

Nevermind fining Twitter. Elon will see it as a badge of honour and Trumpspin.

What the EU needs to do is block access to the website outright across its member states.

locuester ,

Ah yes! Censor the internet! That’s the solution!

DuncanIdaho ,

Twitter is not the internet, its now a misinformation site that financially rewards that misinformation. The slow death of twitter prompted the birth of threads, bluesky and mastodon to name 3. One goes, three rise. And nobody is being censored - thats the point. What this would be is the consequence of their misuse of free speech.

locuester ,

Twitter is not the internet, its now a misinformation site that financially rewards that misinformation.

There are an awful lot of users who disagree with that and use it daily. I’m on there on and off all day to interact with my industry and the only misinformation I see is ads for games that have fake gameplay.

This is just more of the same “Elon bad” crap over and over. Seriously, you’re encouraging the EU to censor the internet like China does because space man is bad.

GiveMemes ,

If you can browse Twitter without seeing a myriad of racial slurs and dogwhistles, you’re either browsing with your eyes closed or just don’t mind racism.

Onto the actual point

There’s a lot of people that agree that Trump wasn’t a complete liar. That doesn’t make it any less true that he was.

Still don’t think the internet should be censored, just think Twitter is a shithole.

utopiah ,

Or you stay in your bubble, not seeing any algorithmic suggestion but only discussing with people you trust. Not saying it’s better but definitely one possible way to use it.

locuester ,

Twitter is, like any other public space, filled with those you choose to follow and their friends, etc etc. If you follow people who post things you don’t like, we’ll that’s what you get.

I swear I’m not just making this up. I’ll gladly take screenshots of the first 10 pages of my feed anytime and you won’t see anything distasteful. You will see crypto scams and some crypto bros saying nonsense, but that’s no different from walking into a 7-11 in the city. Haha

kava ,

twitter has been the best place to get real time updates about both the ukraine war and now this israel v hamas conflict

i don’t doubt there’s a lot of questionable content on there, but the value in spreading information outside of “official sources” is huge. the first casualty in a war is the truth and governments would love to get rid of people spreading the reality of the facts on the ground

GiveMemes ,

Yeah but when there’s a million and one people with zero knowledge on the situation parroting “facts” that’s called misinformation. Not to say that having a variety of viewpoints and sources isn’t important, just that a social media site where anybody can say or post anything isn’t the best way of getting it.

kava ,

two days ago, there were reports going around online that 20 drones had entered israel from lebanon in the north. the information was coming from the IDF. at the same time, sirens were going off across all of northern israel. 1.5 million israelis were told to shelter in place. again, information from the IDF

right after this, rumors online started going around that the US government was evacuating their embassy in beirut, essentially implying that the war was going to spread to lebanon. a really big deal, if true

turns out those were false. the rumors spread about 30 minutes or so and then the embassy in beirut responded to this and said there was no evacuation.

moral of story? yes, misinformation spreads quickly. people are deathly afraid and fear spreads like fire. but it also gets debunked because there are people out there paying attention.

it’s sort of the idea of the open marketplace of ideas. bullshit spreads, but there are people out there dedicated to the truth. it’s a price we have to pay, otherwise we would be blind to these things.

GiveMemes ,

The problem arises insofar as people being deceived and not even trying or being willing to see the truth, like the Trump cult in the US.

kava ,

yes but that has little do to with random people sharing misinformation and more concentrated efforts by people with resources to try and manipulate the population

this is something that happens with or without social media. billionaires love spreading their pet ideologies. banning social media won’t stop them and in fact probably just helps them as “official” sources become the only source of information.

Snekeyes ,

Yeah. Exactly. Space man is bad. It’s not free speech to harm others. We are in the US where woman don’t have rights over their choices in many states.

locuester ,

What is this “free speech to harm others” narrative? Can you explain the logic on that one?

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow ,

We tried not censoring the internet and it hasn’t worked

If it makes you feel better, think of it as Europe defederating from Twitter

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

Whoever chooses which sites get banned from the internet has a whole load of power. They could feasibly, in time, become corrupt and end up banning threats to corporate monopolies, like the Fediverse.

locuester ,

They will become corrupt over time. Power and money yield corruption. Always.

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

Exactly. So I wouldn’t trust anyone with the power to dictate which websites you can visit and which you can’t

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow ,

So instead we allow known, unelected bad actors like Musk free reign, to protect us from hypothetical elected future bad actors?

kava ,

Ya and ban all forms of protest against apartheid.

That’s the EU and it would be the US too if we didn’t have the first amendment

PieMePlenty ,

Look, idgaf about musk or anything he does but why is it on him to fix misinformation on x? Why is it the job of the platform owner? Id really like it if someone explained this to me.

The way I see it, content on these platforms is user generated, misinformed or not, propaganda of one side or the other… If someone decides to put up a plain old text document and let everyone modify it, should the owner of said document really be liable for what others put on it? What if the document has no owner and is hosted in a peer to peer fashion? Who do we give 24 hours to fix it then?

sturmblast ,

it’s really just more of a question of moderation of the platform and censorship of speech

A2PKXG ,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

The EU decided that it rather doesn’t have any platforms than some which allow hate/propaganda/childabuse. The intent is to fight the mentioned things and ideally remove them from society. By and large, this decision is a democratic one and fine.

Platforms may continue operation, if they promise to remove all stuff. Here there are two options, one stipulating that all content needs to be checked before its published. Thats the draconian approach. Currently its fine to only go after user reported stuff.

Now to your first question: They fon’t gaf about musk and don’t care if he removes the stuff. But if he choses not to, they will shutdown twitter for europeans. Thats why they adress him, because he as a major shareholder and CEO (is he?) calls the shots there.

Chr0nos1 ,

The biggest question for me, is who determines what’s misinformation? Honestly, it’s determined by someone with a bias as to what is real information, and what is false. What if it was the Republicans in the US making that decision? It would completely change what’s considered misinformation. This is where the dangers of censoring misinformation come in. It’s all about who is making the decisions. Sure, you may agree with the people making the decisions now, but what about in 5, 10 years?

CensorsHateMe ,

The beheaded babies thing is a good example. People called it misinformation for days, but today they were forced to release images of the dead babies because nobody believed multiple independent journalists from different countries.

erranto ,

As much as I hate disinformation on the internet and witnessed what it can do to people. I am very cautious when governments place themselves as the arbiters of truth. we should fight for the freedom of speech even when it is contrary to our beliefs. disinformation should be fraught against with facts and transparency.

3h5Hne7t1K ,

Yes. Exactly. How refreshing to hear.

Auli ,

Good luck with that doesn’t seem to be working.

cjsolx ,

I agree with you, but I’m curious to know your thoughts: What do you do when the 2-3% of people who are willing to take that fight head-on aren’t nearly enough to combat the endless bots and astroturfers across social media? I don’t count myself amongst those 2-3% by the way, I’m on Lemmy and not Reddit in part to avoid some of that. Engaging is far too much effort and I have my own problems to worry about.

erranto ,

It’s about making choices really. you could either take everything and do your best to sieve through the huge amount of disinformation everywhere even if it takes too much time and even risks. or chose a “good-willing good-intending” governments and mass media apparatus to be your main source of information and final arbiter of truth.

In both choices you will encounter disinformation, bias, and propaganda, except in the last one you will only be presented with one version of the events, that’s why I prefer to have access to all propaganda(s) to choose my poison.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The government has a process called the courts where they decide on what was the “truth” of the matter. Hell, they’ll even restrict your speech during a trial, jurors included. The trick here is you give power to the people to decide, arguably this is playing out in our school systems as well over books.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Boy I hope the EU does something besides sit around with its dick in their hands.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

What about the country where those megacorps are living?

Syrc ,

Failure to comply with the European regulations around illegal content could result in fines worth 6% of a company’s annual revenue.

“I remind you that following the opening of a potential investigation and a finding of non-compliance, penalties can be imposed,” Breton wrote.

The second might be just talk but the first one is very much “something”.

Clusterfck , (edited )

Since Twitter lost $20 billion in value this year, he would argue that means the EU owes Twitter $1.2 billion.

Edit: Yes, revenue vs profit. I get it. It was a joke.

bookmeat ,

Revenue. Doesn’t matter what they’re worth.

EnglishMobster ,

Revenue, not profit.

In other words - Twitter would lose even more money. And they’d lose it to people that can take it straight from their bank accounts. 6% of it, to start with.

So $0.48 of every blue checkmark would go straight to the EU.

Treczoks ,

And, IIRC the penalty is based on last years or accounting periods data, i.e, from times where they still earned money.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Since Twitter lost $20 billion in value this year, he would argue that means the EU owes Twitter $1.2 billion.

Edit: Yes, revenue vs profit. I get it. It was a joke.

Wouldn’t surprise me if that was Elon’s “strategy” here.

Clusterfck ,

That’s pretty much the joke I was going for, but I guess I should’ve been more obvious……

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

I hope they have the PR for when he misses the deadline already written up so they can just hit “Publish” when he fails to respond.

dangblingus ,

Failure to comply with the European regulations around illegal content could result in fines worth 6% of a company’s annual revenue.

I guess joke’s on the EU…

PixxlMan ,

Because they aren’t making much money? Considering this isn’t based on profit but revenue, that’s a pretty significant fine

unconsciousvoidling ,

The saudis might give him money to mitigate fines. I’m sure that’s not beyond him to continue with a misinformation campaign if the price is right.

Syrc ,

Well, more money for the EU and less for the Saudis wouldn’t be a bad outcome either.

CriticalMiss ,

Musk is about to learn why getting rid of the content moderation department wasn’t very cost-saving to the operation of his platform.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Musk is about to learn

Aren’t you an optimist.

Ashsherman ,

Hah, I think you have a VERY valid point. Musk truly, and I mean TRULY DOESNT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS.

Fedizen ,

he cares what people think - he wants people to pay attention to him.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m sure he’ll learn…the wrong lesson

HughJanus ,

Musk has made it clear that this was never about money. Er, at least not about Xitter making money.

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