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Zer0_F0x ,

Damn. This must be one of the most terrifying cyber attacks of all time. Like, Mr. Robot level of breach and execution.

In that show they rig the UPS batteries of server buildings to blow up, this is basically the same idea on a smaller scale.

Either that, or they compromised the manufacturer of the pagers and put small explosive devices in there. Truly legendary and insane.

shoulderoforion ,
@shoulderoforion@fedia.io avatar

and now Hezbollah will be frightened to touch anything at all

HeadfullofSoup ,

That will give a lot of idea to other people maybe soon having a phone on you will be a big risk

ultranaut , (edited )

They’ve done a similar thing at a smaller scale with individual phones in the past. What is different is this time it’s not targeted at a specific person and instead involves thousands of devices going off simultaneously. It’s not a big risk unless you have nation state level threats up against you because it’s hard to pull off, they have to get a functioning device with explosives in it into the hands of the target and the effort involved in doing that is significant.

Doorbook ,

I am surprised the name of the manufacture is not out. This basically raise privacy concern.

Badabinski ,

Yeah, I've been wondering how the fuck they pulled this off. If it turns out that the only pagers that exploded belonged to Hezbollah members, then that would signal to me that this was done entirely digitally.

I've heard that batteries (can't remember if it was laptop or phone batteries) contain the energy of a small grenade, but getting it to release that energy all at once without physical access is absolutely fucking wild and has serious fucking implications for device security.

echodot ,

Getting batteries to release energy isn’t very difficult, even getting them to release it quickly isn’t very difficult. What’s difficult is getting them to release it over the course of a few milliseconds. Which is what you would need for an explosion.

If the battery simply dumped all its power over the course of 30 seconds that’s basically just a fire that you can run away from.

Also I wouldn’t have thought a pager had that much charge, I wouldn’t have thought this sort of thing would be possible as they would tend to just go off with a loud bang, assuming you could even get them to release all the energy at once l, which again I wouldn’t have thought was possible.

For fairly obvious reasons I don’t think we’re ever going to find out how this was done.

Anon819450514 ,

More like stuxnet level !

naturlychee , (edited )

no way it was just the batteries.

batteries burn but don’t detonate with shrapnel

it was altered devices with explosives added.

cm0002 ,

Shrapnel, no, but Lithium-Ion does explode. Especially on a full charge

EncryptKeeper ,

Probably not. It was almost certainly the case that these pagers were already connected to explosives, probably to be IEDs. All Israel would have had to do is page the pagers to detonate them. I can’t think of any other logical explanation.

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DarkThoughts ,

Hezbollah boot licking much?

GBU_28 ,

…is this an ad?

dhork , (edited )

It was, until the mods got rid of it

(Nvm, it is still there, I forgot I blocked the loser)

DannyBoy ,

Gone now, deleted by moderator

echodot , (edited )

Nice try. I’m not on that website it’ll probably explode.

That’s what they have now exploding websites. I think it’s a CSS attribute.

umami_wasbi ,

Is this a cyberattack, or pre-planted explosives?

My dad used to have one and it runs on single AA bsttery. It will burn if exploded but I doubt will that make “man fell on the groud bleeding.” Newer models might use recharable batteries, yet the BMC (logically thinking) should be sperated from the communication part as charging have nothing to do with it. How are you going to use SMS to hack a part of the system which isn’t connected?

If it is pre-planted explosives, that’s just wet work and nothing to talk about it.

Of course, the attacker can do a supply chain attack (by threating/hacking the manufacture, excluding explosives) as a stage to make the cyberattack possible.

DarkThoughts ,

I cannot imagine how you'd cause this via a cyberattack. I'm sure they manipulated the devices somehow. Crazy move though. I struggled reading the first headline (not this one), because I just could not fathom that they mean actual literal pagers.

dhork , (edited )

NYT has a link up which it claims has been verified. It is a video of someone at a market who had one of these in their messenger bag. The video shows a decent size explosion, which blew a big hole in the bag and knocked the guy to the ground.

nytimes.com/…/44771255-fd1d-5028-8228-aff0ca5b813…

I doubt you could make an explosion that big with a AA battery. They must have planted the stuff in some massive supply chain hack.

alvvayson ,

Yep, all the electrical engineers who have chimed in say it looks more like explosives.

A battery would get hot and start a fire. It wouldn’t instantly explode like this.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Given how targeted the attacks were at certain people, does this imply a bunch of people walking around with explosives in their pagers, where they weren’t set off because they weren’t one of the targets?

dhork ,

NYT says this switch to pagers has been recent, after the Oct 7 attacks last year, when Hezbollah suspected that Israel was spying on the cell network, and using it to locate targets for strikes. So all these pagers got distributed to Hezbollah-affiliated people in short order . This system doesn’t use commercial networks, and has been called a “closed” network by the NYT.

If all that is true, then that means anyone with one of these closed-network pagers got it from being involved with Hezbollah in the first place.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Oh wow, that’s quite… something.

cheese_greater , (edited )

“Exploded” always sounded like an adorable kid word to me, like “He explodeded me!?”

I know its a regular normal term but some things still sound funny to me

echodot , (edited )

Yeah this is what I’m confused about. In a lot of simpler devices like this the BMS is actually a daughter board and has no physical connectivity to the main circuits at all. And even if it had access you generally do not have the capacity to rewrite its code, because again code updating is not something that was ever expected.

CrimeDad ,

I wonder how they did it. Was the firmware hacked to make the batteries ignite or were separate explosives implanted in each pager?

ultranaut ,

Almost certainly it was explosives. Mossad very likely designed a functioning pager that contains explosives but looks identical to the original pagers and this is effectively a supply chain attack.

SocialMediaRefugee ,

I’m no fan of Hezbollah but how is this different than spreading land mines? Even if you kill civilians in an air strike at least you can claim there were enemy combatants there. Here it is just “Eh, we’ll just kill people at random and see what happens.”

Ullallulloo ,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

These were pagers specifically ordered by Hezbollah. Random civilians wouldn’t have had them.

Nurse_Robot ,

Has that been verified?

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Ah, yes, the 2758 people were all Hezbollah.

CptEnder ,

One of the deaths was a kid

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

How many injuries, I wonder.

It is extremely cool that we continue to take “Everyone wounded by these pagers was Hezbollah” at face value once again.

This, from the same organization that bombed hospitals, schools, and refugee camps while insisting every one of them was a Hamas command center.

Bob_Robertson_IX , (edited )

This goes to show that Israel could have taken out Hezbollah Hamas leadership at any time… there was no need to raze Palestine other than to move people out so that Israelis can move in and rebuilt.

JokerProof ,

Aren’t you confusing Hezbollah with Hamas though?

Bob_Robertson_IX ,

Shit, you’re right… thanks, I’ve corrected it because my point still stands.

grozzle ,

does it still stand? are Hamas using the same supply chain of altered pagers?

signs point to no.

Bob_Robertson_IX ,

Yes, it still stands… if Mossad is able to get to Hezbollah’s leadership that completely, I think they are likely more than capable of doing the same with Hamas’ leadership.

naturlychee ,

Hezbollah is not Hamas.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

None dare call it Terrorism.

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