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Appoxo ,
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My class never had typing classes in school. Our IT lessons were very limited.
My current style is a hybrid of sort of blind typing based on pc gaming (you cant hunt for keys in a match) and looking for keys using about 4-8 fingers.

someguy3 ,

Are computer labs still a thing in schools?

wjrii ,

At my kid’s elementary school, they just have a charging rack full of cheap Chromebooks and the kids check one out in the morning and put it back in the afternoon. The middle schoolers get to take them home.

Rentlar ,

Tech has evolved to intentionally give less and less choice to the user. Tech skills have declined on average as a result.

stealth_cookies ,

Does Gen Z actually have a tech savvy reputation? I was under the impression that the last few generations aren’t that great with computers as they more grew up with mature technology. It is the Gen X and Millennials that are more digital native while having used computers where advanced skills were required.

ravhall ,

I agree with you. I think they would kick everyone’s ass at thumb typing though. I was a T9 champion.

Gingerlegs ,

My sister is gen x and I’m a millennial, she’s asks me the most batshit insane questions like, how do I turn off my iPhone? What? You’ve had it 4 years!

HubertManne ,

X, especially older ones, are only tech savy if they were nerds. After that technology became a more everyday thing so maybe millenial has the magic spot where it was common but not dumbed down. I dunno though.

yoshisaur ,

I’m part of Gen Z, and no, we as a generation AREN’T tech savvy. just because we grew up with smart phones does not make us tech savvy. in fact, i actually think it made us dumber with tech. i’m the only one in my school who knows how to use a command line and code (i also use linux as my daily driver). meanwhile everyone else doesn’t even know what a freaking file manager is

hddsx ,

Hi, I’m a programmer. Most of my classmates didn’t know how to use Linux.

Now, I’ve realized that newer products are being developed via Visual Studio so……

Linux and command line knowledge aren’t the same as being tech savvy

someguy3 ,

Um is there anything special to use Linux? Click the GUI.

sp3tr4l ,

Millennial here: I think what Gen X and Boomer authors mean when they say ‘GenZ is more tech savvy’ is basically just that they use social media apps on phones and play video games, and that more of their culture derives from such things.

Maybe tech-immersed would be a better term.

As far as actual tech competency goes?

Yeah I agree with you. Phones and apps are generally reliable enough now that there’s far less need to figure out anything under the hood, unlike in my day where you kind of had to learn more about a system to do what is now common, and you had to type on a keyboard.

General_Effort ,

The boomers had cars and flexed being able to drive stick or know what a carburetor is, unlike those feeble Millennials. They had that greaser subculture. Hmm. I guess that makes the movie Grease the equivalent of War Games or Hackers.

So what is the zoomer thing? What eye-rolling help do they give to doddering old gen-Xers? What will they flex in their old age?

ASDraptor ,

They are not tech-savvy, we had to dumb down technology so boomers and gen Z’ers could use it.

ravhall ,

Well, we dumbed it down for the boomers, but never trained the kids.

ASDraptor ,

Because they didn’t need training. Or that’s what we all thought. They were born with an internet that was basically Google. We needed to learn command line, they needed to learn how to press one button.

And it really is that way… Until they need to do something more complex and realize they can’t.

ravhall ,

We made the world better, but forgot to document the process.

// Documentation is important.

Xanthrax ,
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I’m the oldest of Gen z (early 1990s). I have two younger siblings who are also Gen Z. Typing was a skill we learned in middleschool/ elementary. When I was about 8, we learned how to use google because it was considered a great resource to find information. By the time my middle sibling was in similar classes, they moved away from Google due to NSFW search results. When my youngest sibling was in school, they worried about shock sites.

They’ve slowly been removing computers from the school curriculum because of fear of outside forces. That includes typing, sadly. This is all coming from someone who grew up in a Plato self self education plan. (Online, self studies)

ravhall ,

Outside forces, like challenging their teaching?

They can still google dicks at home.

hddsx ,

Gen Z started in 97, IIRC

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Besides boomers all generations are completely made up and have no hard set start and end dates.

hendrik ,

The article is kind of all over the place mixing high-school graduates and fourth-graders? I can see how you're sluggish at typing in fourth grade... The numbers for a 17 year old would be interesting... But yeah, 13 words per minute isn't impressive. And most young people I know use phones and tablets, not computers. So naturally a good amount of them isn't good around these things.

eager_eagle ,
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so… people who take typing lessons and actively try to improve it have better typing skills than the ones who don’t. Shocking.

ArcaneSlime ,

Duh. They use phones mostly. A lot of the gen z people I know are just as bad as boomers with tech. Millennials and gen x had that sweet spot of “actually having to learn how shit works not just iphone go brrr.”

BombOmOm ,
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Yep. And phone typing is the ‘hunt and peck’ method of keyboard typing. Which is unfortunate because it’s ingraining the slowest way to type onto a whole generation.

tabular ,
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There’s a mode where you swipe your finger over each letter in order and it auto completes the word. Not sure how often younger people use it (though I wasn’t aware you could do that until I saw someone younger doing it).

Zwiebel ,

Sounds like predictive T9 but slower

halfapage ,

Swipe keyboards are way more efficient, try it out of you have time.

don ,

Can confirm, it’s worth the effort.

Maeve ,

Autocorrect begs to differ, usually only when the word is out of my field of vision.

I took typing, on typewriters, but got efficient years later on IRC and ICQ. 60+more wpm. I'm still fairly proficient on a familiar KB too.

Caligvla ,
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Tried using swipe typing before and honestly I’m just faster typing normally.

altima_neo ,
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Yeah, I’m a swiper myself and I can’t imagine anyone being able to swipe without knowing the keyboard layout like one would for typing.

snooggums ,
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A swiping motion and muscle memory for tapping are two different things. It took a while to get fast with my thumbs even though I type fairly fast on a keyboard.

jballs ,
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Yeah I don’t know why the article mentions Gen Z’s “tech-savvy reputation”. Being able to operate a cell phone doesn’t make you tech savvy.

Gen X and Millennials grew up using command line and troubleshooting computer problems before the Internet. Their tech skills are way higher than Gen Z.

cRazi_man , (edited )

I never needed to use command line, but I did hone my typing skills on MIRC and ICQ.

Pistcow ,

*Mavis Beacon.

Anyone responsible for the family IT services had to learn cmd.

Also, the article reminds me of this

pandapoo , (edited )

Pretty sure booting into DOS before loading Windows and playing the Oregon Trail on the Apple IIe both count as command line experience.

I also think that as smug as a lot people feel about this, it doesn’t seem far off to think that physical keyboard typing skills could be substituted with newer technologies, or refined versions of existing tech. At least in terms of performing most office job functions.

I’m not saying it’ll be more efficient, or better, just that it wouldn’t be a surprising next step given the trends being discussed here.

If that happens, I have no doubt that smugness will turn into self-righteous indignation and a stubborn refusal to abandon the tactile keyboard for older generations, myself included.

I just hope that if that transition occurs during my lifetime, it’s an either-or situation, and not a replacement of the keyboard.

borari ,

AI powered keyboard let’s go. Honestly the amount of typing I’ve been able to cut out by just clicking the ai suggested replies in Teams instead of actually typing something out to respond to my coworkers is pretty high.

atmur ,

I’m early gen z (mid-twenties now), I’ve have had a touch-screen phone since I was 13, but somehow I am still awful at typing on it. I don’t understand how this is a skill people are actually good at. Here’s typing test I just did on my phone (the monkeytype website). Look at all those errors, and I was actually trying to do good.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/823442b6-c17d-45ec-958b-76b2606a7154.png

I know people who will write entire emails from their phone and I just don’t understand how. I’ve literally written texts on my computer, and then copied it to my phone to send instead of typing on the touch screen.

In comparison, on my computer with my lovely low-profile mechanical keyboard.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/22416562-f5d2-44e9-a679-e4a687f408de.png

Appoxo ,
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Anything beyond ~2002 became worse than the predecessor in IT related tasks.

p8v8x716ln ,
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We should ask rookie, because programming skills also sucks lol

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    Sakychu ,

    Downloading random PDFs from strangers is probably a good idea. I’m guessing you accidentally posted that, if not may you explain how “calculating the flexural strength of members subject to simple bending about one principal axis.” is releated to gen-z not typing fast on psychical keyboards?

    WoodScientist ,

    …squarespace.com/…/AISC+14th+Ed+Design+Examples+-…

    Ooops. Posted that the wrong place!

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