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Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
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That seems like a significant security risk

givesomefucks ,

Probably not for the reason you think.

Like, it wouldn’t be patched into anything official

But it means Musk knew where that ship was 24/7, and I’m pretty sure that’s why Ukraine’s military stopped using it. Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements.

catloaf ,

It wouldn’t be… Until it is.

givesomefucks ,

No it just wouldn’t.

Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7?

This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn.

It wasn’t for any official use, because they have that covered.

You’re acting like surface ships are submarines…

mojofrododojo ,

Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7?

last I checked, no, they don’t. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else.

navytimes.com/…/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sail…

fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE.

stripes.com/…/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796…

so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7

givesomefucks ,

That article is about wifi for personal use…

And the second one is about it being free and you’re acting like they didn’t have Internet before then?

so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7

Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about.

Vorticity ,

Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn’t the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can’t easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn’t under the control of the ship’s officers is a huge security risk during operations.

Someone is going to be court martialed over this.

Quill7513 ,

Yeah with how many leaks come from war thunder players… lol

cmnybo ,

It’s emmitting radio signals that an enemy could use to help locate the ship.

givesomefucks ,

What?

Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff…

You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it’s gps location.

4am ,

Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it.

There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious.

BigDanishGuy ,

Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the “beam” then you can passively spot the ship.

feannag ,

Not always

Ships absolutely practice turning everything off.

potentiallynotfelix ,

Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements

Wait he did? Can you provide a source for this? I can only find information about him stopping starlink service in crimea

Summzashi ,

They can’t, because it doesn’t exist.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

The reason I think is because any unofficial and potentially unsecured communications access point seems like a vulnerability. If some moron posts a picture using that unofficial access point I’d be worried it could be traced to the ship’s location.

DaddleDew ,

It was exactly the reason I was thinking

realcaseyrollins ,

Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements.

I’m sorry, this made me laugh. Is that a widely accepted conspiracy theory in this community? That Elon Musk is a Russian spy?

Cadeillac ,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it?

BestTestInTheWest ,

The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn’t been confirmed and I don’t think we should be taking Kadyrov’s word as truth on anything he’s a literal war criminal.

Cadeillac ,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter?

paddirn ,

And I’m sure whoever put it there faced way more harsher penalties than a certain someone who willfully hid highly classified documents in his bathroom for months and lied about it to investigators.

dhork ,

What’s better is that, thanks to Elon Musk, “STINKY” is the default name for its Starlink wifi. These people didn’t even change that.

futurism.com/…/elon-musk-starlink-wifi-stinky

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Can’t speak to starlink specifically, but I know some shittier router brands would often reset to factory defaults every time you updated the firmware. Can easily see starlink doing that with a pushed firmware with the expectation some additional cell phone app would restore the correct settings.

So they very well might have turned off broadcasting but it got popped back on while they were on shift and it was detected.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t worry! I’m sure the default username and password didn’t get changed either.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

To make matters even worse…

The chiefs found that the Wi-Fi signal coming off the Starlink satellite transceiver couldn’t cover the entire ship, so during a stop in Pearl Harbor, they bought “signal repeaters and cable” to extend coverage.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Between Trump stealing national security secrets and shit like this, it’s honestly shocking the USA hasn’t already become a full-fledged fascist hell-hole. It’s currently only half-fledged.

But seriously, it must be fucking child’s play for other nations to spy on us with dumb fucking shit like this happening.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Hey, give us a chance. We have another election right around the corner and things are really looking good for a solid commitment to fully flegged hell-holism.

sunzu2 ,

Vote for my guy, trust me bro!

crux of the US politics

0x0 ,

Ya mean like ppl using classified information in World of Tanks forums to prove a point… more than once?

Stanley_Pain ,
@Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The weakest link is always the lowest common denominator. I’m pretty sure that the other armies around the world have their fair share of idiots too.

tabarnaski ,

The fact that they didn’t even try to hide their ssid (or at least, the report doesn’t say they did) shows how stupid people can be with cybersecurity.

Username ,

Apparently “STINKY” is the default StarLink SSID (Another Musk joke), so yeah…

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

can we just fucking all take a break for a month? just have things go to being boring?

I attended a fucking ethics of ai talk at my work, only to run into a fucking knockoff nazi complaining about the founding fathers images being generated with black people, and talking about how silicon valley is too left wing.

either you’re so stupid that you don’t understand it’s a fucking alt-right dog whistle, or you’re a fucking nazi who gets very, very upset if you see a black person in any context. Either way, just shut the fuck up.

tacosanonymous ,

Some McHale’s Navy shit only with actual consequences.

Maeve ,

Still, the ambassador had nothing on senior enlisted crew members of the littoral combat ship USS Manchester, who didn't like the Navy's restriction of onboard Internet access. In 2023, they decided that the best way to deal with the problem was to secretly bolt a Starlink terminal to the "O-5 level weatherdeck" of a US warship.
They called the resulting Wi-Fi network "STINKY"—and when officers on the ship heard rumors and began asking questions, the leader of the scheme brazenly lied about it. Then, when exposed, she went so far as to make up fake Starlink usage reports suggesting that the system had only been accessed while in port, where cybersecurity and espionage concerns were lower.
Rather unsurprisingly, the story ends badly, with a full-on Navy investigation and court-martial. Still, for half a year, life aboard the Manchester must have been one hell of a ride.

But wait! There's more!

rekabis ,

Sailors on the ship then began finding the STINKY network and asking questions about it.

Oh, c’mon. it is trivial to make an SSID “hidden” for any networking tech that you have administrative control over. That way, only those “in the know” will know the SSID name to type in, in order to access said wireless network. It would not be “discoverable” by standard wireless-connectivity gear such as the default wifi interface in mobile phones.

ayyy ,

Hidden WiFi networks are not actually hidden in the literal sense. They still broadcast beacons that your wifi chip will see as basically “hidden network beacon lives here”. Your network connect interface just decides not to show you a list with a bunch of useless “(hidden)” entries you can’t do anything with.

Also, when a new client wants to connect to the hidden network, the first thing it does is broadcast an unencrypted message saying “HEY, I’M LOOKING FOR [hidden network name]” so it’s completely trivial to unveil the name of hidden networks given enough time.

cabron_offsets ,

Heads should roll.

Arkhive ,

Just trying to play CoD with THE BOYS back home!! That and running their onlyfans pages. Come on, let them have their fun!

Cryxtalix , (edited )

For most of the article, I was wondering why people cared so much about some random network, they’ll go to the trouble of searching for and writing suggestions about it. People usually aren’t that interested in the network infrastructure at government facilities.

That’s some pretty significant context the writer didn’t even know until informed by a reader.

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