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"REM sleep is the next AI"

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/19628702

image transcriptscreenshot of this bluesky post (which you can read without logging in here) from ‪@comraderobot.bsky.social‬ (“Notorious RBMK”) saying: > my friend who still lives in palo alto gave me permission to share this mailer he got. > > there’s unhinged and then there’s tech unhingedimage in post has two photos of people wearing EEG electrodes, one xray of a human head, an EEG data plot over a silhouette of a head, and this text: > REM sleep is the next Al > > The upcoming era of physical reality integrated with dream worlds advanced by the REMspace startup > > - Controlling a smart home from dreams > - Transferring speech from dreams > - Controlling virtual cars from dreams > - Interacting with dream worlds using brain implants > - Social media for sharing dream journals > - Smart sleep masks powered by Al > - Many other breakthroughs from our lab (videos and tech) > > Don’t miss the pitch of the year for potential partners and investors > > Aug 29th Palo Alto Above the image is an (inaccurate) BlueSky label saying “Possible tumblr screenshot” with a “hide” button.

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the guy behind this startup:

recklessengagement ,

This is just the game “Hypnospace Outlaw”

call_me_xale ,

Or the original plot of The Matrix, before the studio execs decided audiences were too stupid.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, to be fair, they were.

What started as an allegory for the path of a trans person realizing they’re trans and taking “the red pill” to find the reality of their world and escape “the Matrix” that forces them into a confined box in which they don’t actually fit…

…turned into the dumbest bro’d out bullshit from people who think the “red pill” means you’re the strongest smartest man who is has figured out society and you’re a superman like Neo who can fly and shit.

Honestly, I’m on the side of executives on this one. Most people are too fucking stupid for it.

kinkles ,
@kinkles@sh.itjust.works avatar

From what I’ve read, The Matrix wasn’t created as a trans allegory, it’s just that you can apply the fundamentals of its story to many concepts. One of the most popular interpretations happens to be gender identity because its creators transitioned years after the original trilogy ended.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Part of the script that got cut by Hollywood was literally Switch being a different gender inside the Matrix and outside.

That’s literally why they were originally named “Switch.” Switch is in the original film and dies in the original film. Not the sequels.

But sure, not a trans allegory.

The part that gets said is a “trans allegory” but isn’t is the red pill as a stand-in for estrogen.

kinkles ,
@kinkles@sh.itjust.works avatar

I went back and looked at the articles I had read and dug a little deeper to get to an interview with Lilly Wachowski herself:

Continuing on The Matrix**, you confirmed a couple years ago that it was a trans allegory —**

No, I didn’t.

You didn’t? Tell me more.

Yeah, so that came from an interview I did for Disclosure. They had a bunch of Matrixquestions. And the question they asked me was about Switch, who was originally written as a trans character who was male in the real world and female in the matrix. And they took that response and attached the question that everyone now references that it’s a trans allegory. And so it was slightly out of context, but I don’t sit here and put a stink up about it, because it is a trans allegory in that it was written by two closeted trans women. And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

them.us/…/lilly-wachowski-mentoring-the-matrix-in…

To be honest, her statement doesn’t seem like either a denial or confirmation to me so 🤷‍♂️

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, it sounds to me like she has issue with just that specific thing being treated as a trans allegory rather than the whole thing, the film, The Matrix, itself, as trans allegory as a whole, and the idea that it was purposeful rather than happenstance.

It sounds more like “we were closeted at the time, and we unconsciously were putting in trans allegories to our own paths and ideas” which still means its trans allegory, even if it was unintentional at the time, because they still hadn’t “come out” to even themselves yet.

And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

In other words, it’s undeniably trans allegory, but perhaps that wasn’t consciously on their mind at the time they wrote it.

Thanks for the link, I hadn’t read that one. Definitely clears it up a little.

watersnipje ,

Glad to see I’m not the only person on earth who has played it. Such a remarkable, funny and weird game. Still trying to get that damned Seepage song out of my head.

BlindFrog ,

PROFESSOR HELPER HERE! READY TO HELP!

ReynT1me ,

Everyone needs to be warned about the danger of Beefbrain

jewbacca117 ,

I can already drive a real car in my dreams by taking Ambien

echodot ,

Make the Inception device or I’m not interested.

I’m just going to go to dream Disneyland where there are no cues and time passes at a super slow rate.

Naich ,
@Naich@lemmings.world avatar

Jesus, that’s some real desperate idiots there.

narc0tic_bird ,

Even if all of that worked, why would I want it?

SpaceNoodle ,

You don’t want it.

But the people who can put ads on your dreams want it.

wizardbeard ,

Does anyone else remember Microsoft’s amazingly tone deaf slide deck about how integrating their systems and making thing seamless across multiple platforms including mobile phones and laptops would allow people to work during any/every spare moment in their lives, like while commuting?

Businesses want to own every moment of your life not strictly required for continued existence. If they can normalize using sleep time for extra “passive” income by using your dream power or by just renting out “spare” brain computation power, they will.

Imgonnatrythis ,

You really don’t have any interest in controlling virtual cars with your dreams? That alone has me signing up as an investor.

palordrolap ,

Yeah, that'll go great when the car is suddenly driving 14 miles down the driveway of the house I lived at as a child - a driveway that is walkable in less than a minute - before entering the garage which is a large house that slightly resembles a place I used to work and has a view over a clock tower that may or may not be larger when you look at it from a different angle and I think I'll nap in this bed that's here.

Now tell me: Where is the car relative to its position when that five-second-long dream sequence began, and will that pedestrian ever walk again?

cypherpunks OP ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

i hope you’re joking but if you’re not i assume you live in the bay area? if you want to go to their pitch tonight, here’s its eventbrite.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Putting that in my virtual gps

Grimy ,

Interactive dream worlds is essentially full dive vr. I guess you could just not use it, and while you’re dreaming about losing your teeth, I’ll be living through whatever movie I picked before going to bed.

wizardbeard ,

Expecting any part of the brain to work that simply is foolish. We already know that REM sleep does a lot of the lifting for forming long term memories and processing complex input from your waking hours. Not to mention the importance of it for actual rest/recharging so you aren’t an exhausted zombie all the time.

Sounds like a wonderful idea to just fuck around with that.

boonhet ,

There’s a saying in my language that roughly translates to “the morning is wiser than the evening” in English. I believe in English it’s common to say “sleep on it” for tough decisions.

I often wake up and come up with a solution to my toughest problems from the previous day. My REM sleep brain is already keeping me gainfully employed.

No idea why anyone would want to fuck with this. It’s awesome.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Hustle mindset. 25/8 work ethic, baby. It is actually incredibly cool and fun to be a cog in the corporate machine. Liberty! Whiskey! Sexy! They’re giving out the good soma when you work in the Dream Mines, baby! Get with the program!

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Hell yeah can’t wait to control my virtual car with my dreams.

echodot ,

I can already do that in my dreams. Though I usually crash it often into something inexplicable.

Grimy ,

I make sure to only dream about Tesla’s (they actually work in the dream world)

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