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avisf ,

It’s a interesting trip through Windows history everytime I need to change an admin setting:

  • You need to modify an admin setting (like…setting a MTU for example or changing an IP address (now possible in Settings, but wasn’t for a long time))
  • You click through Settings -> Setting not available, but a Link to Control Panel -> click on the Control Panel Link (XP-Era) -> Advanced Settings on the Top-Window (Windows 2000) -> Finally, right click on the Network Adapter and select Properties and you are all the way back to Windows 95/98.
  • Same with Powershell: A function or Cmdlet isn’t available? Let’s try this .Net thingy first, before we head to VBS
  • Need to manage Sound Devices? Better do that in Control Panel, since most of the useful settings are still missing
  • Need to remove a Outlook profile? Control Panel.

Windows is a prime example of inconsistent design, that’s why Device Manager still asks for drivers on a A:\ 3,5" floppy drive.

As an Administrator, I’m curious to see, what will become of Microsoft Management Console (MMC) and their Snap-Ins, which are still required to have by many still supported MS Products and third party tools. The last time I had to edit something in “Component Services” (Windows NT-Era Tool) was 2023.

sebsch ,

Next will be NT. I think they will put their thing above a Linux somewhere in the next future.

pyre ,

no. fucking. way.

feef ,

Just yesterday I wanted to disable sound devices. The button in the settings app even says „turn devices on/off“, but once inside the menu, there is no option to enable or disable sound devices.

Had to use the control panel again.

flambonkscious ,

Mmsys.cpl is the only way for me

MonkderVierte ,

context menu hell™

mint_tamas ,

I don’t think this is a real issue in the age of bespoke design for applications. Only a minority of then use the OS widgets for their interface. You can argue that this is a bad thing, but then the context menus are just a tiny portion of the entire issue.

tehbilly ,

As annoying as it is, I’d rather have visually inconsistent elements rather than broken applications. There’s something to be said for backwards compatibility.

TheGrandNagus ,

Most people don’t care about this, and I wish I didn’t, but for whatever reason my brain just hates inconsistency like this, and Windows is the absolute worst for it. It makes me hate using my computer. I’m truly jealous of the people who are completely unfazed by ugly/inconsistent UX, I wish it was a trait I had.

Context menus like this, UI elements from many different windows versions, 5+ UX toolkits in use at any given time, inconsistent padding, inconsistent fonts, dark mode preference being listened to for one app and ignored in another.

I hate Apple, have never owned any of their products and likely never will, but they’d be embarrassed if they had a UX this sloppy and inconsistent. They’d straight up not release it.

Linux DEs are far more visually cohesive than Windows (especially the likes of Gnome and ElementaryOS), even KDE which was/is frequently mocked for being a bit ugly and inconsistent has improved leaps and bounds recently and is now far more consistent than Windows. And they’re all working on a combined budget that’s probably less than 1% of Window’s. Wtf are Microsoft doing??

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

If Microsoft had actually moved all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s 12 years old, btw), I’d be supportive of this.

It’s a joke that windows has 2 settings apps, and searching for specific settings in the start menu will take you to either, or to both.

But as we all know, Microsoft won’t do this properly. They’ll likely just continue with their 75% finished settings app while hiding the control panel, and if you need something not in the settings app you’ll have to open some old menu using a run command or some other terrible convoluted step.

MacOS, Android, iOS, Linux distros don’t have this issue. Fucking TempleOS doesn’t have this issue. Microsoft is a $3.2 trillion company.

The absolute lack of effort they put into Windows is pathetic. They’re a shining example of why monopolies should not be allowed to happen.

el_abuelo ,

Does Linux have good support for VR yet? Specifically my HP Reverb g2 that seems to be reliant on windows mixed reality…

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    el_abuelo ,

    Interesting, thank you

    Also was unaware Valve was working on a new headset! That’s good news as it feels like the market has really stagnated outside of the Meta headsets.

    __Lost__ ,

    I have the same headset, and as of a few weeks ago when I last checked, there is not complete support. I think the display works mostly, but the controllers don’t so it might depend on what you are doing.

    el_abuelo ,

    Interesting - I rarely use the controllers, so could be do-able at least as a dual boot

    bluewing ,

    Just a curious question - Is there any VR sets that work with Linux Distros? I’m not much of a gamer to need or want one. Just want to learn for learning’s sake.

    Manalith ,

    I hate the settings app so much that I’ve just learned the powershell commands for setting up printers and changing NIC settings. Honestly it wouldn’t be as bad if a. It didn’t take forever to load on occasion and b. I could have two settings windows open at once.

    It’s so hard to find settings there that jumping between network center and add device is not intuitive. If they remove control panel from servers too I might quite my msp job and go work at a grocery store.

    SaharaMaleikuhm ,

    Microsoft is so ridiculously out of touch with its users demands.

    AlexanderESmith ,

    I think it's more that they're indifferent to it's users all together.

    __init__ ,

    Microsoft:

    https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/9a34dc3d-feee-4a27-8c41-3f55c471ecb3.jpeg

    BlemboTheThird ,

    Just 3 days ago I had to use the control panel to access the settings I needed to get my parents’ printer to work right. Even tried to use the regular settings menu for maybe 10 minutes before remembering how to access the settings I needed. Here’s hoping my parents never run into printer issues again (lol).

    FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!

    Nfamwap ,

    Spoiler: they will, because fucking printers

    w2tpmf ,

    Yeah I see this as more of a “Printers are an antiquated technology that hasn’t changed much in the last 30+ years” problem.

    theangryseal ,

    I had to do this today on my wife’s laptop. The settings menu just wouldn’t do it. It just sat there for a thousand years.

    andrew_bidlaw ,
    @andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Let’s wait for CEOs to learn about the mess of Program Files\Program Files (x86), and how the user directory is filled with links replacing deprecated folders making it unusable. Windows is more of the inverted Babylon tower of hell than a consistent and complete vision of a product, one layer is built on top of another like a patchwork of a clinically insane. That’s with all their $billions, millions of workhours and a market monopoly.

    9 circles of hell via Wikimedia

    calcopiritus ,

    That’s mostly because of backwards compatibility, and it’s a blessing imo.

    andrew_bidlaw ,
    @andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Or a forward compatibility, since they weren’t obliged to create these new paths, and they did, thus creating a problem for themselves.

    stoy ,

    I recently found the YT channel Michael MJD, and it has made me realize how fun and cool Microsoft was in the XP and 7 eras.

    It was just before the cloud ruined everything and it was before the curse of the flat UI design.

    It was a more fun time.

    Windows 7 is the prettiest Windows ever made, with XP running Royale theme a close second.

    emeralddawn45 ,

    Microsoft mjght have been better than thwy are now then, but they were NEVER fun and cool. Dont be gaslit.

    stoy ,

    Oh fuck off, you don’t get to decide my oppinions.

    bizarroland ,

    If you dig deep enough into the internet you'll find people who have been complaining about Microsoft since the dos days, and many of their complaints and fears have come true.

    stoy ,

    Oh yeah, I remember the mems from back in the late 90s, I reacted harshly to the previous comment as they claimed that I was being gaslit.

    I remember using Windows as far back as 3.11, I know my own feelings.

    If you look further in the thread you’ll also see that I admitted that I was probably reflecting my oppinion on XP and 7 onto Microsoft as a whole.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Spot the self-congratulary Linux user

    TheGrandNagus , (edited )

    Spot the bootlicker 😉

    There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that a monopoly with a history of illegal anticompetitive behaviour isn’t/wasn’t cool.

    They didn’t congratulate themselves, and the only person who brought up Linux here is you.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    They were the best Windows versions, but Microsoft was not cool. They were still monopolistic and anti-competitive as fuck. They still actively killed smaller companies, they still bribed politicians, etc.

    stoy ,

    I will grant you that I may be reflecting my oppinion on XP and 7 on Microsoft as a whole.

    kautau ,

    I’m all for an improved UX but the settings app is not an improved UX, it’s taking many different ways to manage windows features and throwing them into arbitrary categories that are constantly getting shifted around.

    How about instead just improving some other Windows control features? Let me filter by name in services.msc and devmgmt.msc. Let me search in gpedit.msc.

    I will say I do appreciate that they’ve finally made those features work under HiDPI without looking like a blurry pixelated mess. Only took 14 years since the first mass market HiDPI display was released, and 23 years since the first 4k monitor

    2pt_perversion ,

    Preach. Make an actual improved control panel, settings is garbage. It’s not just scattering things around it really doesn’t include a ton of necessary settings.

    kautau ,

    Right, the amount of settings you can’t actually change in settings and instead open up a legacy UI modal to change a specific thing is a demonstration that it’s very much lipstick on a pig rather than a core overhaul. There’s so much baggage in keeping Windows backwards compatible for enterprise that I’m not really sure they can get to a point of having a new control panel where everything is organized into a better UI without cutting some of that baggage and doing major refactors, which will break compatibility, and they make the most money from widespread enterprise licenses across massive private and public organizations, not from windows home licenses included with new computers

    bilb ,
    @bilb@lem.monster avatar

    They should just copy the Plasma System Settings app.

    laurelraven ,

    It really is about the best settings app I’ve ever used, especially where it highlights the settings that have been changed from defaults

    SaltySalamander ,

    The constantly shifting shit around in Settings makes online tutorials for fucking anything useless.

    TachyonTele ,

    Is this just for 11, or are they going to ruin 10 some more with this change too?
    I’m not seeing it mentioned in the article.

    sroos ,

    Well, 10 is going away in about a year anyway, isn’t it. I don’t think they really care about 10 anymore.

    macrocephalic ,

    I’m staying on 10 until it really doesn’t work, and then moving entirely to Linux. I already don’t use windows much and I’m not missing most of it.

    sroos ,

    And that’s completely fine. I would advise on a cut-off date of around Oct 15. 2025. Your OS won’t receive any security updates after that and having it connected to internet at that point is going to be a major risk.

    You have more than a year to prepare, though. Use it wisely. :)

    macrocephalic ,

    I personally think the risk of not receiving updates is pretty overstated. I’m more concerned with when applications stop supporting it - which normally happens because libraries stop supporting it.

    sroos ,

    Well. When the OS stops receiving updates there’s a whole lot of stuff that stops receiving updates (much of which is the libraries that are being updated with the OS).

    Using Windows 10 past the cut-off date is perfectly possible but more and more of the security of your device (and, as it’ll be connected to the internet, all other unpatched devices) will be on you, rather than a large company (or a collective of really smart people).

    calcopiritus ,

    Very recently a 0-click vulnerability was discovered where all you needed in order to be attacked is having IPv6 enabled.

    If you don’t have security updates you are at risk of these attacks, even if you don’t click on suspicious links or download random apps.

    blockheadjt ,

    It’s just support that’s going away, not the OS.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    And just like that the last vestiges of my computing childhood are gone. I'm gonna go sadly play Oregon Trail on an emulator now.

    JoMomma ,

    Good luck finding the settings to allow unregistered exes without the control panel

    sroos ,

    Could always just use Linux.

    stephen01king ,

    How would you do that on Windows control panel?

    chakan2 ,
    @chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

    Let’s be real…Microsoft finally depreciated Windows with Windows 11.

    devilish666 ,

    At least windows god mode still available although you need a little bit trick to summon it

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