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Etterra ,

Just confirming what we already knew.

spacecadet ,

We are now X+14 months away from AI replacing your job in X months.

Kualk ,

Current AI is good at compressing knowledge.

Best job role: information assistant or virtual secretary.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Extremely misleading title. He didn’t say programmers would be a thing of the past, he said they’ll be doing higher level design and not writing code.

Tyfud ,

Even so, he’s wrong. This is the kind of stupid thing someone without any first hand experience programming would say.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Not really, it’s doable with chatgpt right now for programs that have a relatively small scope. If you set very clear requirements and decompose the problem well it can generate fairly high quality solutions.

OmnislashIsACloudApp ,

right now not a chance. it’s okay ish at simple scripts. it’s alright as an assistant to get a buggy draft for anything even vaguely complex.

ai doing any actual programming is a long ways off.

Tyfud ,

This is incorrect. And I’m in the industry. In this specific field. Nobody in my industry, in my field, at my level, seriously considers this effective enough to replace their day to day coding beyond generating some boiler plate ELT/ETL type scripts that it is semi-effective at. It still contains multiple errors 9 times out of 10.

I cannot be more clear. The people who are claiming that this is possible are not tenured or effective coders, much less X10 devs in any capacity.

People who think it generates quality enough code to be effective are hobbyists, people who dabble with coding, who understand some rudimentary coding patterns/practices, but are not career devs, or not serious career devs.

If you don’t know what you’re doing, LLMs can get you close, some of the time. But there’s no way it generates anything close to quality enough code for me to use without the effort of rewriting, simplifying, and verifying.

Why would I want to voluntarily spend my day trying to decypher someone else’s code? I don’t need chatGPT to solve a coding problem. I can do it, and I will. My code will always be more readable to me than someone else’s. This is true by orders of magnitude for AI-code gen today.

So I don’t consider anyone that considers LLM code gen to be a viable path forward, as being a serious person in the engineering field.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

I heard a lot of programmers say it

Tyfud ,

They’re falling for a hype train then.

I work in the industry. With several thousand of my peers every day that also code. I lead a team of extremely talented, tenured engineers across the company to take on some of the most difficult challenges it can offer us. I’ve been coding and working in tech for over 25 years.

The people who say this are people who either do not understand how AI (LLMs in this case) work, or do not understand programming, or are easily plied by the hype train.

We’re so far off from this existing with the current tech, that it’s not worth seriously discussing.

There are scripts, snippets of code that vscode’s llm or VS2022’s llm plugin can help with/bring up. But 9 times out of 10 there’s multiple bugs in it.

If you’re doing anything semi-complex it’s a crapshoot if it gets close at all.

It’s not bad for generating psuedo-code, or templates, but it’s designed to generate code that looks right, not be right; and there’s a huge difference.

AI Genned code is exceedingly buggy, and if you don’t understand what it’s trying to do, it’s impossible to debug because what it generates is trash tier levels of code quality.

The tech may get there eventually, but there’s no way I trust it, or anyone I work with trusts it, or considers it a serious threat or even resource beyond the novelty.

It’s useful for non-engineers to get an idea of what they’re trying to do, but it can just as easily send them down a bad path.

werefreeatlast ,

AI is terrible at solving real problems thru programming. As soon as the problem is not technical in nature and needs a decision to be made based on experience, it falls flat on its face.

ipkpjersi ,

It will never understand context and business rules and things of that nature to the same extent that actual devs do.

readbeanicecream ,

But Human QAs … Human QAs everywhere!

w3dd1e ,

The thing that I see most is that AI is dumb and can’t do it yet so we don’t need to worry about this.

To me, it’s not about whether it can or not. If the people in charge think it can, they’ll stop hiring. There is a lot of waste in some big companies so they might not realize it’s not working right away.

Source: I work for a big company that doesn’t do things efficiently.

painfulasterisk1 ,

It’s really funny how AI “will perform X job in the near future” but you barely, if any, see articles saying that AI will replace CEO’s in the near future.

Dearth ,

Somewhere there is a dev team secretly programming an AI to take over bureaucratic and manegerial jobs but disguising it as code writing AI to their CTO and CEO

Melvin_Ferd ,

I don’t get how it’s not that AI would help programmers build way better things. if it can actually replace a programmer I think it’s probably just as capable of replacing a CEO. I bet it’s a better use case to replace CEO

collapse_already ,

You can hire a lot of programmers for the cost of one CEO.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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Until an AI can get clear, reasonable requirements out of a client/stakeholder our jobs are safe.

Beetschnapps ,

So never right?

If the assumption is that a PM holds all the keys…

homesweethomeMrL ,

Yeah hows that goin’?

aviation_hydrated ,

It can write really buggy Python code, so… Yeah, seems promising

ripcord ,
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It does a frequently shitty job of writing docstrings for simple functions, too!

Beetschnapps ,

Almost like dealing with real engineers…

datelmd5sum ,

I admit that I work faster with AI help and if people get more stuff done in less time there might be less billable hours in the future for us. But AI did not replace me, a 10 times cheaper dude from India did.

L0rdMathias ,

“Guy who was fed a pay-to-win degree at a nepotism practicing school with a silver spoon shares fantasy, to his fan base that own large publications, about replacing hard working and intelligent employees with machines he is unable to comprehend the most basic features of”

UnsavoryMollusk ,

You did a great summary honestly

Grofit ,

Most companies can’t even give decent requirements for humans to understand and implement. An AI will just write any old stuff it thinks they want and they won’t have any way to really know if it’s right etc.

They would have more luck trying to create an AI that takes whimsical ideas and turns them into quantified requirements with acceptance criteria. Once they can do that they may stand a chance of replacing developers, but it’s gonna take far more than the simpleton code generators they have at the moment which at best are like bad SO answers you copy and paste then refactor.

This isn’t even factoring in automation testers who are programmers, build engineers, devops etc. Can’t wait for companies to cry even more about cloud costs when some AI is just lobbing everything into lambdas 😂

Hexagon ,

Can AI do proper debugging and troubleshooting? That’s when I’ll start to get worried

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