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Unlocalhost ,

Start buying commercial displays. Cost more but will be about as close to a dumb tv. You will have to provide your own smart device for apps …

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Hospitality TV

BritishJ ,

Or hear me out… Just don’t give it an internet connection.

Unlocalhost ,

Cheaper TV’s sometimes won’t function without one.

Plopp ,

Some TVs listen for open networks and use those, so if there is one near you your TV could sneak out either way.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

open the back of the TV, locate the arial on the board and scratch away the traces leading to it.

HonorableScythe ,

This is what I did. Works fine for my needs. My older relatives hate it but they rarely come over.

GenosseFlosse ,

Commercial displays are not tvs. Quite often the refresh rate is terrible and you cannot watch action movies on it, because it was designed to show static billboard ads.

DirkMcCallahan ,

I pity the poor fool who sets up their smart TV instead of just grabbing an HDMI cable and plugging in their computer.

ChillPill ,
@ChillPill@lemmy.world avatar

Ive been pretty happy so far with roku and blocking stuff with pihole, but every day I am more and more tempted to build a media pc…

MagicShel , (edited )

This is the way to go. I tried pihole using Samsung smart features, but if you block the telemetry eventually your apps stop working and you can’t get them working again without doing a factory reset with blocking down. It’s prohibitively a pain in the ass, taking hours every time YouTube stops working.

Never had any issues with Roku on pihole.

henfredemars ,

I believe one reason maybe that the software is so garbage it can’t handle not being able to submit all its logging information when otherwise the system thinks it’s online.

MagicShel ,

That makes perfect sense and explains why you can’t fix it just by bypassing blocking temporarily and reinstalling the app.

yggstyle ,

This is the case with Rokus as well. If you also redirect or block the hard coded DNS (Google) from bypassing your local DNS it starts to get extremely sluggish over time… presumably from background processes repeatedly resending requests out.

yggstyle ,

Depends on your blocklist. It would freak out every so often on me when I was preventing it from bypassing my DNS with its hard coded ones until I added in a forced redirect instead.

yggstyle ,

Currently trying that for the same reasons you are tempted. Roku was passable and even a good choice years ago and it’s on a precipitous race to the bottom now.

Problem for me currently is finding a non windows solution that is navigable from a controller or remote is … tough. Steam, emulation station, Kodi all have reasonable interfaces but there seems to be a gap in a unified launcher solution (as well as a decent ‘app’ for accessing YouTube.) I really don’t want to spin up a single VM for each activity when they all in theory should play nice together.

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

My solution to this problem is Jellyfin, fed by usenet-backed sonarr/radar and Tubesync to pull in YouTube channel subscriptions. Those are added to a Jellyfin library which is accessible right next to movies and tv shows.

This is all through the Jellyfin app on a 2019 Nvidia Shield Pro. It’s a perfect couch-friendly setup. For just regular YouTube browsing, SmartTube can be installed on the Shield and on your phone. You can then cast to the SmartTube app on the Shield instead of to the YouTube app.

yggstyle ,

It seems we have similar backend setups 🏴‍☠️

I’ll need to dig into an android solution a bit - smarttube seems pretty nice but has no Linux version unfortunately.

lemmy_get_my_coat ,

Exactly what I’ve been looking for too, and have come up wanting. I got excited recently about finding KDE Plasma Big Screen, but then it falls at the last hurdle on the app selection.

yggstyle ,

That gave me abandoned vibes when I looked into it. Maybe they just didn’t update anything on their site but I struggled to find any recent info or reviews on it. A shame honestly. I loved the idea.

cRazi_man ,

That is beyond the capabilities of normies.

My wife would agree with this:

Media PC

And I’ve got Plex running on an always on NAS.

Cl1nk ,

This is the way

BakedCatboy ,

Lmao that greentext was literally me before I finally set up arrstack. One of the best investments of my time, it has definitely paid off over many years of just having things automatically download.

cRazi_man ,

My Arr’s are unreliable. The trackers they search keep becoming unavailable for some reason. Flaresolver doesn’t seem to work with my VPN setup. Sometimes the file it finds to download turns out to be 54GB for a 1080p movie and I can’t figure out what the hell is going on there either. I haven’t got the time to look into Usenet any time soon. If I try to deploy something and it doesn’t work 100% right off the bat then the “wife acceptance factor” drops to zero, so I’ve got to be damn certain before I start tinkering.

This comes off the back of a device on my network causing router issues and making Plex unreliable for a couple of weeks. By the time I diagnosed and fixed the issue, the damage was done and wife acceptance factor was lost.

BakedCatboy , (edited )

Man that sucks. I must have gotten lucky or something with my setup. I also have trackers go unavailable all the time but I enabled 8 different ones and usually multiple will have the same torrent so it usually has no problem finding something even if 1 or 2 are down. I also don’t VPN tracker searches, just my BitTorrent client so flaresolverr seems to work fine for me (I only have it enabled for 2 of my trackers since most of the ones I use don’t seem to require it).

If you end up trying it out again I would look into the quality settings and make sure you’re not using the remux quality profile (edit: apparently the default 1080p quality profile has the 1080 remux quality enabled so this might have been the problem). By default most of the quality profiles seem to limit at 100MB/min, so a 2 hr movie shouldn’t allow anything over like 12GB. Whenever I tweak quality or custom formats I refer to trash guides which has a lot of battle-tested rules you can copy. I have my main quality profile set to only download qualities between hdtv720 and br1080 (which is just below remux) with custom formats copied from trash guides set to prefer hevc with surround sound since I have 5.1.

cRazi_man ,

Thanks. Really helps to know where to start looking when I get time over the weekend.

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

You may also want to look into Usenet instead of torrents when you’re researching. Sonarr/Radarr/Readarr etc all work (in my opinion) better with Usenet.

You’ll need to pay some, but the reliability is amazing, which is extremely helpful for the partner acceptance factor. I pay for two providers (newsdemon is primary and eweka is a backup) and two indexers (drunkenslug and nzbfinder), and everything has been rock solid reliable for years. Download speeds are also MUCH faster than torrents.

Combine this setup with overseerr (or jellyseerr) so your partner can find their own things to download and you might be able to get them back on board.

Plus, no flaresolverr required!

Wildly_Utilize ,

My gf loves stremio + torrentio + real debrid I set up for her

It does go down occasionally and she is more techy and patient than most but give it a try if you havent.

Its dead simple compared to what you’re doing now and good to have in your back pocket even if you want to maintain a local library. Having an issue? NP just open stremio and everyone’s happy

Reverendender ,

It seems like way more stuff than I want though

BakedCatboy , (edited )

I mean yeah there’s a lot of stuff it does, but you can pick and choose what you want to use it for so it depends on what you would find useful - you don’t have to use the full automation. I started just by using it as a read-only way to see what movies I had and in what qualities and keep things organized. You can use it as a manual interface to do one-off downloads - basically just as an interface to search 5 torrent sites in 1 place where you are still picking exactly what you want it to download. You can use it only to rename files to a consistent format. So there are a lot of ways to use the various features of sonarr/radarr besides automatic downloads. You’re not forced to go all-in and out of the box it doesn’t start automatically downloading until you enable that.

I think it’s a common misconception that if you use sonarr/radarr you have to use download automation and set up trackers but it’s not the case. It’s a useful library organization tool even if you don’t ever have it download anything.

Reverendender ,

That was definitely my misconception

BakedCatboy ,

I’m glad to clear it up! It’s a super powerful tool, and I still occasionally skip the automation and just use it for manual searches since it reduces that process to a single click to search all configured torrent sites and a single click to download and have the rest automatically handled.

Before when I was visiting friends and wanted to quickly add something to plex, I used to need remote access to my torrent client and separate remote access to my NAS filesystem to move/rename files when downloads finish which was a really manual process. Now all I need is the reverse-proxied sonarr/radarr UI since it handles moving/copying/renaming on download completion - and while the UI isn’t mobile-first, it’s very usable and feels less error-prone than moving/renaming files remotely using a file explorer app.

toynbee ,

That is my preference, but my wife says she prefers only one step (turning on and using the TV) over multiple (turning on the TV, turning on the secondary system and using multiple controllers) so we go with the simpler setup per her request.

I did put my TVs on a Wi-Fi network separate from my main one so, while they do show ads as much as my pihole allows, at least they’re theoretically only spying on each other.

asap ,
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

With HDMI-CEC you can achieve what your wife wants. I have one remote to turn on my Nvidia Shield (with Plex, Jellyfin, Netflix, etc), and that same remote also controls all TV functions.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Ew.

fishbone ,

Jokes on them, my TV can’t connect to the internet anymore because of the the bloat added by Roku in automatic updates.

Reverendender ,

Pro Tip: Connect your TV to your Wi-Fi so the TV doesn’t bother you constantly, and shut off access outside your network at the router level.

Fiivemacs ,

Ummm why even connect it at all…let the dumb thing stay offline

asap ,
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

so your TV doesn’t bother you.

Many TVs have a constant “no wifi connection” visual error if it’s not connected.

Reverendender ,

It also bugs me to turn on voice recognition by connecting

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

LET US LISTEN TO YOU IT WILL BE FINE.

IGNORE ME!

asexualchangeling ,

I haven’t bought a TV in several years, but is this something that is in general TVs? I ask because I plan on getting one soon and would very much like to avoid it having a mic

Reverendender ,

I can’t speak for all TVs of course, but from what I have seen, yes.

Aceticon , (edited )

I replaced the TV Box from my ISP as well as the Media Player I already had for local media with a cheap mini-PC running Lubuntu and Kodi and have seen only a handful of adverts on my TV in the last couple of months (which I might see only when I’m watching Live-TV).

(PS: Mind you, there is no way to avoid Product Placement in Movies and TV Series, so I have still probably seen quite a lot of “covert” advertising).

The whole thing is now under my control and hence I don’t have to endure that crap.

Granted, I’ve been a Techie for decades and have for a long time been very aware of how software with Internet access is an agent of the software maker serving their objectives, not of yours serving your interests and how anything you paid for held by somebody else isn’t yours until you take them into Court for it and win (so your “bought” movies held in somebody else’s system aren’t yours) so I never jumped into the Streaming bandwagon and instead kept my eyepatch handy and wooden leg polished, and when I got a TV some years ago - before the enshittification really took off - I very purposefully avoided “smart” ones like the plague.

Frankly even if you’re not technically adept just get a Mini-PC and install LibreElec on it (which is purposefully made for non-Technical users to just to use Kodi) and get used to using Kodi. If you’re into paying for it you can even subscribe to perfectly legit IPTV subscriptions with hundreds of Live-TV channels and it definitelly integrates with the paid streaming services if you can’t do without and don’t want to sail the high seas.

(I’m running Lubunto, a more generalistic lightweight Linux distro where I explicitly installed Kodi, rather than LibreElec, because I use it for more things than just watching stuff on my TV).

PPS: Also, get a generic wireless remote of the kind used for Android TV (which works just as well in Kodi under Linux, as all those things do is send key-presses using the same USB protocol as keyboards), not the voice control crap with just a few “app” buttons but the ones which look like normal remotes. They often come with air-mouse functionality and a full mini-keyboard on the back, but one almost never has to use that even with Lubunto which is not really designed to be unobstrucive and will pop-up “update” prompts once in a while (I’m tempted to fix that, just like I fixed the need to explicitly log-in and start Kodi, but so far I can’t be arsed because it seldom happens)

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Honestly even a chromecast with Google tv and something like Stremio launched on boot would give you similar results for relatively cheap. No techiness needed, just some fiddling with settings.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’ve heard the nvidia shield is/was the gold standard for this purpose

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Huuuuuge price difference though.

Though I guess the chromecast is being killed off so the difference doesn’t matter much anymore.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fair. Added benefit tho; it’s not a Google product.

Downside: it’s Nvidia and they’ve gone off the deep end into AI bullshit. Arguably went off the deep end several years ago into Crypto bullshit.

frizop ,

it’s not, they started the enshitification process years ago, I threw mine away. In the fucking garbage if you can believe it because it started showing me ads.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well that sucks. I don’t particularly want google or amazon hardware on my network in any capacity, nor do I intend to provide network access to a “smart” TV. Guess that leaves AppleTV, maybe a couple other options, or dedicated media PC.

Aceticon , (edited )

How sure are you that the Google software and hardware you’re recommending won’t be enshittified at some point, especially in light of Google’s behaviour in recent years?

Because one of the core guidelines in this new setup of mine was exactly to avoid software/hardware stacks from profit-driven companies were the temptation to “make it nice now, enshittify for maximum $$$ once there’s a good installed base” is very much present, hence I went all the way to a fully open source solution with an as generic as possible mini-PC (the fully generic PC, a self-made desktop, would not have looked as good in my living room and use way more power, whilst the mini-PC looks like it belongs there and has a 15W TDP).

I mean, my first try at changing my home media setup was actually getting an Android Media Box (which is much cheaper than a mini-PC), but the mini-PC plus Linux gives me total control over the entire software stack and a lot more than an Android Media Box does over the hardware stack (I can actually add more storage, expand the memory and even change the wireless support) without having to jump through the hoops of rooting an Android to get rid of all the crap (and not just he crap from Google - for example I didn’t want Netflix on the fancy starting menu of the Android box and yet if I uninstalled it, the pretty picture for it would still be there using space whilst not actually working) which is not exactly non-techie friendly and might not even be possible (I do believe it is possible for the Chromecast, though).

Android is an inferior solution if you want to avoid enshittification and are not all that technically proeficient, though if you don’t care about being forced by the software on your own hardware into shit you don’t want (such as watching ads) it is the technically simplest option, but then again that scenario is just enduring the kind of abuse that the post is talking about, and my advice is not at all for people who are fine with ads and other “product promotions” (such as pre-installed software supporting services you have to pay for) shoved in front of them even in their own home and their own hardware.

Whilst I didn’t go for the fully integrated Linux+Kodu solution which is LibreElec and instead went for a self-made Lubuntu + Kodi solution because I have lots of experience with Linux and wanted to do more with that device than just “media box”, my expectation is that a single-purpose packaged solution like LibreElec on top of a mini-PC together with the kind of remote I mentioned above is the simplest “just works” option: so accessible to non-techies and without enshittification or a risk of future enshittification.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Do I trust them? No. In fact I’m blocking software updates under the assumption they’ll fuck something up. But I’m using an alternative start app, and a button remapper for the remote.

It’s stupid simple, and the chances of breaking are slim. It’s also cheap, and relatively easy to upkeep. There’s also the added benefit of it being an all in one consumer product, so the user experience is typically seamless, something I wasn’t able to achieve with a box running Kodi last I attempted it.

I’m not claiming it’s the best choice, but if you’re dealing with normies or a remote situation where you’re mailing off an item? 100% I’d prefer a device like a chromecast.

asexualchangeling ,

Any remote recommendations? I’ve been thinking about doing something similar.

Aceticon , (edited )

I’ve got one of these and since in my PC Kodi is running on top pretty much all of the time, it works as well as a dedicated remote on a dedicated media box.

The upsides are that as I said it just works as one expects a remote and whilst it is wireless, it also has an infrared emitter and 5 programmable buttons for it, so I also use it to turn ON/OFF my TV and sound bar.

The downsides are that the little keyboard on the reverse side is a bit awkward to use, especially if you need to type uppercase characters, special characters or numbers and the air mouse is a bit too finicky to use comfortably, both of which are extras beyond the normal remote functionality, so it’s no problem unless you expect to replace a keyboard + mouse or remote login once in a while for Linux maintenance tasks. Also this specific remote won’t, for who knows what reason (bug? stupid design decision?), work if the remote is slightly tilted, which is a bit of a downside of this model and, of course, it can’t actually turn your PC ON because it’s wireless with a USB dongle and the PC won’t read USB it’s not ON (though maybe it can work if one uses hibernate and keyboard wake-up, since the remote just looks like a Keyboard+Mouse device for the PC, but I haven’t tried it and since I just have that PC on all the time because it’s also a home server, I don’t really care)

It’s my understanding that when you press a button in the remote these things just send down the pipe a key-press of a letter matching the function of the button (so for example the menu button is ‘m’) and those letters just so happen to be the Kodi shortcut keys for those functions (I reckon these things are standardized rather than “coincidence”).

You can see in the recommendations on that page various other similar models. I reckon that as long as you avoid the “Voice command” stuff (which is tightly tied with Google Android) and go for a wireless remote which looks like it has a many buttons as a normal remote would, you’ll be fine. Keep in mind that traditional IR remotes won’t work for controlling something like a PC because the PC has no built-in IR receiver or software for support such a remote (normal IR remotes are pretty custom with different codes for different makers and even devices, rather than standardized as this one seems to be) hence the need to use a wireless one with a USB dongle (theoretically Bluetooth should also work).

A_Random_Idiot ,

I am so genuinely surprised that there isnt a bigger movement to hack TVs to replace the OS’s on them with non-invasive open software alternatives.

Especially with shit like this.

thatKamGuy ,

Because it’s not actually necessary; leave the TV isolated from the internet and use a set-top box (Apple TV, Shield, game console) as the media player.

GenosseFlosse ,

While I agree, I think this solution is some nonsense. I bought a “TV” and paid for all the hardware and software that went into it, but I essentially have to use it as a monitor with my own hardware to escape the enshittification.

thatKamGuy ,

I also agree, but I view it more as ‘I bought a TV, and that’s all I want it to be’.

I don’t care about the built in software features foisted on me because I wanted an OLED panel; simply because they are going to be abandoned within 1-2 years, are powered by some anaemic chipset that is already multiple generations behind what is already available in my TV stand; and will likely end up as an attack vector to my network some period down the road.

The article mentions that TV manufacturers make ~$5 a quarter from selling your data. So those ‘features’ aren’t even free, they come at the expense of your personal information, privacy and likely security as a result.

So to quote a famous Dave Chapelle skit: “fuck ‘em, that’s why!”

A_Random_Idiot ,

simply because they are going to be abandoned within 1-2 years, are powered by some anaemic chipset that is already multiple generations behind what is already available in my TV stand; and will likely end up as an attack vector to my network some period down the road.

You do realize all of that would probably cease being a problem if people were able to hack their TVs to install custom OS’s.

all the spyware bullshit would also be gone with a custom OS.

Literally every one of your gripes would be addressed and fixed by being able to hack your TV

westyvw ,

People let their TV’s onto the internet? I thought we already had this discussion and nobody does this anymore.

kamen , (edited )

Since at one point in the near future I’ll be shopping for a TV, is there such a thing as a good quality panel TV that is dumb? I intend to hook it up to a PC or a set top box. Alternatively, is there a smart TV that can be easily bootloader unlocked and rooted without consequences (similarly to how a Pixel phone can)? I realise this is even more niche than unlocking/rooting a phone, but still, someone might have ideas.

SoleInvictus ,

I just bought a smart TV, updated the software, and disconnected it from the Internet, only allowing it access to our local Plex server. No ads and no stupid suggestions. It’s great.

MonkderVierte ,

Might be cheaper than a purposedly dumb TV nowadays too, despite the receiver. It’s ridicolous.

SLVRDRGN ,

You could also try this, apparently.

Sam_Bass ,

Not available in all markets

SoleInvictus ,

Oh, that’s clever! Definitely bookmarking that for future reference.

ColonelPanic , (edited )

Get a non-consumer TV if you can. They’re more expensive but are actually built to last, have way more features and you can swap in whatever compute board you want so you’re not stuck with an underpowered Android TV board.

a_baby_duck ,

I’m very interested in this. Any suggestions as far as specific models to look at, or where to source one without needing a fancy business vendor connection? Maybe a trustworthy review site to compare some options?

ColonelPanic ,

I’ve not looked into it much other than seeing it in this video by Jeff Geerling and making a mental note for next time I’m in the market for a TV but it may be of interest to you.

I’m sorry I can’t provide more details than that, but it’s basically a digital signage TV designed to run 24/7 for years, and as such is actually built without the absolute bargain basement parts that go into consumer units.

Gullible ,

3000 dollars

Guess I’ll continue to use my old computer and an hdmi connection to a physically Wi-Fi disabled smart tv. I understand why it costs what it does but fuck.

blackstampede ,

Try a Spectre t.v. they’re made for digital signage. I got one and hooked it up to a media server.

Kayday ,

It was maybe 7 years ago now, but I bought a dumb Sceptre TV and it still works great. Was only $300 at the time.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Any 10 year old computer & LibreELEC.

DJDarren ,

My TV is a smart TV whose smart features I never, ever use because the first thing it does is switch to the input my Apple TV is on.

Ironic really that the reason I chose an LG is because webOS seems less cunty than Android TV and whatever shit Samsung are offering. But I still never use it.

Princeofspace ,

I was pleasantly surprised that my Sony tv has a basic option so you can use it just as a screen. All smart stuff disabled.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

webOS seems less cunty than Android TV

Every time they do an update, things get worse. But my last TV had some dying pixels, so there’s no going back.

Zorque ,

Can you install separate launchers on webOS? I installed a launcher on my Android TV and haven’t seen an ad since, even with smart features.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i for one cannot wait for this future

https://www.soundandvision.com/files/_images/200902/2172009173627.jpg

ByteOnBikes ,

I went to a buddy’s house to watch TV and that’s how his Xbox Live looks like.

Like they’re so oblivious and he’s paying for that shit.

Usernameblankface ,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

With that level of ads, they should get paid to watch it.

Hazzia ,

Best we can do is 5 minutes worth of additional in-game currency

AbsoluteChicagoDog ,

Shut up and drink your verification can

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Has it got electrolytes?

Good_morning ,

Huh? Watching TV on his Xbox live? It definitely didn’t look like that

yggstyle ,

*Start menu in windows 11

… both Microsoft products … weird.

BruceTwarzen ,

My tv hasn’t seen an ad since i plugged it in.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

You sure you pay the electric bill?

tobogganablaze ,

Dumb monitor > smart TV.

Ugurcan ,

Point is, it’s near impossible to find a dumb tv with good specs. Like LG is producing no-smart version of LG C3 (best display ever so far), but it’s only sold to businesses.

HolidayGreed ,

My HiSense Vidaa OS TV shows ads for newer TV’s from their online store.

Is an Apple TV box a good platform choice to avoid this?

Hazzia ,

I’d probably opt for an external streaming box and simply use the TV as a monitor instead of the whole system (as it was originally)

HolidayGreed ,

That’s what I’m planning to do and curious if Apple TV box is a good option. Fire stick is riddled with ads. Not sure about Roku and Apple TV.

OriginalJay ,

I don’t see any ads in my Apple TV interface aside from some shown in the streaming apps themselves. We’ve been very happy with ours, keeping in mind the whole family already had iPhones.

spaghettiwestern ,

Roku is chocked full of ads too, and regularly sets the default for the “Select” button to open those ad sites or apps. Roku used to be great. It has now been completely enshittified.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, it could be worse. It could not work at all when put behind a pihole. I keep all my Roku devices in their own group and haven’t seen ads on them

BlameTheAntifa ,

No matter how you feel about Apple in general, Apple TV boxes are really the only way to go these days. Everything else is designed to aggressive sell to you whether you like it or not.

It’s either that or use something like a Raspberry Pi and settle for websites, which also have a habit of streaming you lower-quality content.

MrSpArkle ,

If you have other Apple devices the Apple TV is the best option.

Plex makes an app for it, and infuse makes a fantastic media server client.

Also enables all kinds of useful home automation integration, and FaceTime via your television(this is a game changer).

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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As opposed to the old days when it was an analog billboard

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