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Custom ROMs have had just about enough of being Android's second-class citizens

TL;DR

  • Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.
  • The custom ROM project characterizes Google’s approach to device attestation as incomplete and flawed.
  • Graphene OS is prepared to take legal action if Google won’t let it pass Play Integrity checks.
umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yeah. like my manufacturers’ 3-year-old, full-o-spyware ROM is more secure than latest clean installed lineage.

they just want control, not security. and with banking apps becoming a necessity, i’m starting to be forced to return to stock.

Cyyy ,

same bs with apps not running jidt because root or apps not being visible in playstore because of it. Netflix isn’t even showing up as existing in playstore just because i have root. it’s nuts. and there are tons of apps like this.

Wildly_Utilize ,

Second phone just for these things wouldn’t work for what you need?

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not exactly a great solution. It works, but it’s a shitty workaround at best.

Wildly_Utilize ,

Not disagreeing I was genuinely asking.

For me it wouldnt be too inconvenient but I barely use banks so my perspective is atypical

TheLastOfHisName ,

Myself, I use my bank’s web portal via my mobile browser. Not as instant as an app, but it gets the job done.

MSugarhill ,
@MSugarhill@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Culprit is: I need the phones app as second factor to log in to the web interface.

aquinteros ,

I have been using stock for a while, but I remember using magisk root to hide root to the bank app and I never had an issue

towerful ,

The only reason I stopped using grapheneOS was because Google contactless payment didn’t work.
Loved everything else about graphene tho

MightyCuriosity ,

You could use sandboxed google play on the main user or second user.

TurdMongler ,

Still can’t use tap to pay

rakeshmondal ,

Do you pass play integrity?

FutileRecipe OP ,

Do you pass play integrity?

GrapheneOS, and other non-OEM OSes, do not. It’s kinda the whole point of the article/OP I linked.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never used contactless on my phone, I already had a contactless debit card. Why are you, and others, using their phones to pay?

Imgonnatrythis ,

Why carry a contact less card when you can pay with your phone? Have you given it a try? I find myself without a card in lots of situations. Paying by phone is incredibly convenient. Lot harder to lose than a card too.

Tomato666 ,

Yes, it has an upper limit though as I discovered after cycling to the garage to pick up my car with just my phone. Triple cycling joy that day 🙄

communism ,
@communism@lemmy.ml avatar

A contactless card barely takes up any space. It’s not particularly easier to lose either. I’ve never lost my card; I just keep it in my wallet, in my pocket, just like my phone is in my pocket.

Serinus ,

You know what takes up less space? Software on the phone that I’m already carrying.

There have also been occasions where I forget my wallet but still have my phone to pay with.

neinhorn ,

Easy with one card, but it’s a different story when you have multiple cards. Transit pass, loyalty cards from grocery stores for discounts, credit cards for cash back rewards.

bellafragmento ,

I’ve never used a contactless debit card. I already had a chip and pin debit card. Why are you, and others, using your contactless card to pay?

barsoap ,

My Chip+PIN card has an RFID chip. Standard in Germany. Why would I tell, much less trust, google with my banking. Why would I let them skim data and/or a percentage off the transaction. Why would I choose a system with spotty acceptance, whereas I can use my girocard everywhere. It also doubles as 2nd factor for online banking.

GetOffMyLan ,

There’s no need to carry your cards if you already have your phone.

Also, unlike your wallet, if you lose it you can track it.

Demdaru ,

Lazy.

Just plain lazy.

I already have my phone in hand in shops - shopping lists, reminders or even plain taking my mind off the shelves so I won’t buy unnecessary shit. Then I get to checkout and…my phone is already in hand. Just boop it and done. No need to dig out wallet from pocket and then dig out card from wallet.

nevemsenki ,

I can create a virtual card before every trip, use it via my phone and then cancel it after the trip, never worrying if my card got skimmed anywhere for one.

towerful ,

I find it super convenient.
Also, it doesn’t have a limit. Pretty sure I bought my last car with contactless on my phone, but that was years ago.

JCreazy ,

I’m sure Google contactless payment works really well when the phone is dead. Or you drop your phone in a toilet or off a bridge. It’s far easier to loose a phone than a card in a wallet in your pocket. If you lose your phone, you also lose access to all your money.

MSugarhill ,
@MSugarhill@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Not a fan of google pay, but I gotta say, I lost way more wallets than phones in my life it’s about a 3 to 0 ratio (not counting purses I have lost before owning a phone.

towerful ,

I also carry a wallet? Cause, yknow, ID and stuff.

Phone is just way more convenient. Especially since I don’t have a limit on its contactless amount. Whereas with my card, I would have to chip&pin for anything over £40

Blackmist ,

Even without the custom ROMs, the whole Android ecosystem is a colossal fucking mess.

I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more. It’s not even compatible with itself.

People give Windows a load of shit, and deservedly so for some of it, but it’s a million times more usable than Android when you want shit to “just work”.

lupec ,

Wow, I legit just ordered a used pixel yesterday to give graphene a try lol. Uncanny timing!

Anyhow, that’s great news! I can really see the EU sinking its teeth into this if nothing else.

communism ,
@communism@lemmy.ml avatar

Enjoy! For future reference I’d recommend just getting the latest Pixel as you’ll get the longest software support. E.g. a Pixel 8a is supported till May 2031, which is plenty of time to get a lot of usage out of your phone.

JCreazy ,

At the price of the Pixel 8a, I would suggest getting the Pixel 8 instead.

lupec ,

Right, I’d love to spring up for a 8th gen pixel but I live in an unsupported region and my currency is worth fuck all so I’ll have to make do with a secondhand 7 pro lol. Still fantastic longevity all things considered.

FutileRecipe OP ,

I’ll have to make do with a secondhand 7 pro

Ouch, that hits me right in the 7Pro feels lol. Make do, indeed, lolol.

lupec ,

Honestly, I don’t really need my phone for much so as long as the battery hasn’t degraded too much I’ll be more than happy!

Wildly_Utilize ,

Welcome! I’ve been on it for a month or so and I’m still so thrilled

queasy ,

I plan on doing the same thing, any tips on finding cheap recent-ish Pixels?

Burn_The_Right ,

A brand new Murena Fairphone 4 (North America) is about $600 brand new, IIRC. I’ve been on one for the last 6 months and it’s excellent.

TheLastOfHisName ,

I’m planning on flashing my One Plus 9 Pro with Murena’s ROM. I’m working on getting de-googlefied.

lupec ,

I’m in an unsupported region so I’m afraid I can’t help much :(

In my case I just looked around a local eBay-like site and went with a reputable enough seller, fairly standard procedure there.

orl0pl ,

Motorola ROM is fine

Wildly_Utilize ,

Recently moved to graphene couldn’t be happier

I don’t care about these apps but it will only get worse over time if not addressed. I could see things as simple as Spotify, Netflix, etc. Refusing to run

I don’t use those services either but that’s not a future I want

FutileRecipe OP ,

I could see things as simple as…

Last I heard, the McDonalds’ app doesn’t work, of all things.

…grapheneos.org/…/9123-the-mcdonalds-app-doesnt-w…

Wildly_Utilize ,

Wow, there you go then.

JCreazy ,

I’m running Graphene OS and its been solid. A few issues here and there with app compatibility but it is fantastic.

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

It’s high time we break apart all those large tech companies!

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Spin off the Android team into a nonprofit. I’m pretty sure OEMs would be all over that.

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Why does this call the problem by it’s name, monopoly.

Android is another area Google are abusing their monopoly. Sure the phone market is a duopoly, but that doesn’t help. Apple is even more locked down and user abusing.

Lots of app companies, like bank apps, think locking their apps to only work on official Android is best for security, but that compounds the monopoly. It’s also arguably less secure!

xavier666 ,

More power to them

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Hell yes.

It’s fucking open source, this is no different from games with intrusive anti-cheat refusing to run on Linux, except in this case it’s not even a different OS.

It’s monopolistic and anti-user.

sbv ,

Considering the lawsuits, now seems like a good time.

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