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Intel's stock drops 30% overnight —company sheds $39 billion in market cap | As of now, Intel's market value is a fraction of Nvidia's worth and less than half of AMD's

Intel’s stock dropped around 30% overnight, shaving some $39 billion from the company’s market capitalization since rumors of a pending layoff first emerged. The devastating results come after the chip giant reported a loss for the second quarter, complained about yield issues with the Meteor Lake CPU, provided a modest business outlook for the next few quarters, and announced plans to lay off 15,000 people worldwide.

When the NYSE closed on July 31, Intel’s market capitalization was $130.86 billion. Then, a report about Intel’s massive layoffs was published, and the company’s market capitalization dropped sharply to $123.96 billion on August 1. Following Intel’s financial report yesterday, the company’s capitalization dropped to $91.86 billion. Essentially, Intel has lost half of its capitalization since January. As of now, Intel’s market value is a fraction of Nvidia’s worth and less than half of AMD’s.

As Intel’s actions look rather desperate, analysts believe that Intel’s challenges are existential. “Intel’s issues are now approaching the existential,” Stacy Rasgon, an analyst with Bernstein, told Reuters.

Irrational_exuberance ,

Oops that’s where we (US government) invested 9 billion under the chips act.

How many layoffs in the US?

elucubra ,

Intel should merge with Boeing

eronth ,

They share (or shared) a building in STL, so that would be an easy merge there.

shalva97 ,

wow

Snapz ,

Nice to just imagine that this was backlash to the inhumanity of the constant layoffs. It’s not, but would be nice.

luciferofastora ,

Burst layoffs to polish up earnings reports are “fine” (in terms of stocks), but hemorrhaging workers when your company is already in hot water for product quality complaints smells of “We’re really desperate to make our reports not look devastating”. From a stupid monkey brain point of view, it sounds like they’re throwing sailors overboard to avoid sinking and I wouldn’t want to be a passenger and risk being next, so I’d try to sell what shares I have before they’re worthless.

I don’t know what heuristics professional traders go with, but I imagine they would follow a more complex and nuanced logic along those same lines. Either way, if enough people do that, it compounds.

TheGrandNagus ,

Nope. It’s the bad financial results, news of defective CPUs, and most crucially, Intel announcing they’re going to stop paying out dividends that have done this.

If anything, investors seem to love mass layoffs, unfortunately.

profdc9 ,

My guess is Intel’s management is full of inflexible dead weight that doesn’t want to adapt to the new reality that PCs are only going to become less and less relevant as a computing model. Like other companies that had established cash-cow businesses like Sears with its mail-order catalog, Kodak with film, Motorola with analog mobile phones, etc., current management doesn’t want to jeopardize their positions by allowing a new business to dominate, and so the company is doomed to a slow death.

blindbunny ,

Those fuckers better not stop making graphics cards because of this…

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Unless the person running that project is owed a personal favor I don’t think there’s a chance in hell it’s going to survive. I’m pretty sure they’re running the video card side of the business at a substantial loss trying to catch up with market share and tech.

blindbunny ,

I know you’re right but it’s so short sighted and we waited so long to have a graphs card triopoly…

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

We need somebody That’s not willing to collude with AMD and Nvidia. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll spin that company off.

FrankFrankson ,

I would guess there is no way in hell they are going to stop making GPUs becuase GPU development leads directly to their ability to make better AI accelerators. I could see them backing off of CPU prodiction before cutting out GPUs.

itsnotits ,

Those fuckers had* better not

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

They practically already have.

Arc came out years late and was a flop. It still can’t run a huge amount of games, and where it does, it competes with cards on an inferior node with much smaller die sizes than Arc, that have better stability and significantly lower power consumption.

Battlemage was supposed to be “high performance” (although in Intel speak that likely means mid range at best), but most of the SKUs got cancelled.

They’re bringing Battlemage as a graphics tile on their mobile CPUs. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they also did a desktop release, like AMD did for the 6400/6500 XT.

Going against AMD/Nvidia in the desktop graphics space is on the back-burner. Hopefully they’ll come back to it if they improve their drivers enough, and get better at GPU design.

TheFrirish ,

shoutout to the guy on wall street bets dunking 700k before it tanked to 30%

Ilovethebomb ,

Wait, was he betting it would go up or down?

fatalicus ,

Just a regular stock buy, so up. Lost around 200k so far.

But he did say he was going to sit on the stocks for some years, so might get some back.

Ilovethebomb ,

Ironically, I suspect they would be a solid long term play right now.

Squizzy ,

If you bought the day before an earnings report with the premise being a long term hold, as the company stock was dropping, you would wait and buy after.

Subverb ,

💎 🙌

aaaaace ,
Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

There is absolutely no way intel is going under any time soon. They may drop more but it’s almost certain that they will recover.

I don’t understand a valuation that puts them under AMD given how poor amd’s market share is in the gpu market (which intel is now a new valid competitor in for the budget space) alongside the fact that intel’s cpu market share is higher than AMD by a large margin.

I’m saying all this as a huge AMD fan. I have a 5800x3d and a 6800xt. I made our work standard laptop be amd based as I set the standards for my organization in my work role. I know my choice is the minority choice. Even in datacenter intel has an overwhelming lead.

Amir ,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

How is Intel’s GPU marketshare any better… Last I heard they were selling their chips at a loss

Lets_Eat_Grandma , (edited )

They are not doing better in the gpu marketshare. They are a new challenger in that space and are no where near getting the lead. The point I was making is that they are just getting into that space, and if they are successful at chipping away at nvidia’s giant high margin market share they can very possibly make a ton of money in that space.

Their GPUs however are fairly good price/performance for consumers, meaning they are building market share in that space. Like any business starting out at something they are losing money to gain market share. That’s how capitalism works today. You lose money to gain popularity until you get so much market share you can turn screws to make significant profits.

Intel’s bread and butter is CPUs. They are the majority market share in the highly lucrative desktop cpu, mobile laptop cpu and datacenter cpu space.

edit: clarification, mobile I mean laptop. I don’t think intel is in the cellular phone space?

cornshark ,

I thought qualcomm was the majority market share in the mobile cpu space?

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

Good catch, I meant laptop. Most end user systems provided today are laptops for the last several companies i’ve worked for.

gnuplusmatt ,

SRIOV in the datacenter without restrictive / Prohibitive licensing costs

Buddahriffic ,

It’s because the stock market is closer to a casino than a place where fair valuations of businesses are made.

Also, market cap is just the latest trade price times the total number of shares. It doesn’t mean that anyone is willing to buy or sell the entire business for that amount, just that some shares were traded at a price that extrapolates to that.

It’s kinda like getting an A on your first assignment in grade 1 and assuming that means you’re a straight A student and will maintain that until you finish your doctorate. Or getting an F and assuming you might as well just drop out.

The closest thing to reality market cap really says is that investors who are making current trades believe that AMD will surpass Intel at some point. Or that they aren’t comparing either company directly to the other and just go by feeling plus the price history. “I feel more confident in AMD today, therefore the price should be higher than it was yesterday. I feel less confident in Intel today, therefore the price should be lower than it was yesterday.” It doesn’t even really matter if yesterday’s price was accurate, it’s all just relative to itself and fed by fear and greed.

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

Preach. I’m just worried for when nvidia pops. The grumblings about the machine learning fad are starting to happen but that’s a company that is incredibly likely to lose 80% of revenue in 5 years once businesses see how the huge investments flop.

There’s some strange belief that chat bots being semi-coherent is going to turn into true AI and take over all the white collar jobs. The more popular chatbots become the poorer the data quality will be. It’s inevitable that all the bots posting on all the social media sites will poison the datasets especially as more and more turn to chatbots to generate content.

Peoples imaginations are running wild. I think if 2% of the use cases pan out it will be a wild success but ML is not new and entire divisions have been scrapped for failing to turn a profit (looking at Alexa, for sure.) When the pop happens the drop will be so significant the ripples may cause a recession all by itself.

prettydarknwild ,
@prettydarknwild@lemmy.world avatar

rust giveth, and rust taketh away

helpImTrappedOnline ,

So, I should invest now for cheap and when they inevitably bounce back, sell?

mint_tamas ,

Yeah, go for it 😎

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

I think you’re pretty much guaranteed a return if you buy on Monday or Tuesday. It’s literally free money.

calcopiritus ,

Nothing ever goes wrong taking “free money” advice

ipkpjersi ,

I make sure to take all my financial advice from strangers on the Internet. Nothing could be safer.

ABCDE ,

I bought some more; stupid me thought it would keep going up (up 15%), then it bombed.

Nolegjoe ,

Don’t try to catch a falling knife

helpImTrappedOnline ,

But Ive had success in the past, just look at these cool scars as proof :)

pastabatman ,

They definitely deserve this. Still, I hope their fab business works out because we need another high end fab (especially a US based one). It’s exorbitantly expensive, too much for anyone but an established player to enter the market.

SplashJackson ,

Maybe they shouldn’t have fucked over all of their own people.

Fuck em

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Fucking good! I know it’s not the primary reason, but it’s by high time that people see laying off 15k people as a bad thing and the company suffering for it.

Blackmist ,

I fear it’s wishful thinking that the layoffs are what made the stock tank. It’s certainly never hurt anyone else…

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I think it made an already bad situation worse.

Blackmist ,

I think the AI thing has really caught them off guard. There’s a gold rush and they have no real shovels to sell.

Intel’s only hope now is for the Chinese army to go for a holiday in Taiwan. Their competitors are hugely reliant on TSMC. That’s been brewing forever though, and hopefully will continue to not come to anything. The last thing the world needs right now is more fucking war…

corbin ,

The layoffs were announced at the same time as Intel’s Q2 financial results: intel.com/…/actions-accelerate-our-progress.html

Blackmist ,

Yep, that’ll do it.

They’re not even bothered by the fucked up chips.

Hackworth ,

I was gonna say… how is it not this? Weird world.

Blackmist ,

I’m guessing those chips are a tiny fraction of Intel’s revenue.

AMD have been eating their lunch on more than just gaming PCs.

corbin ,

Stock price is largely about future earnings potential, not current quarter or past results. That’s why a company can have record-breaking earnings, but still eat shit in stock price for a while if it lowers predictions for next quarter.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

yet

aesthelete ,

The actions we are taking will make Intel a leaner, simpler and more agile company.

Oof, now agile bullshit talk is infecting the lingo of the c-suite and being used as justification to do layoffs. I should’ve seen that coming, though I must’ve skipped the portion of the agile manifesto that said to choose Lamborghinis over employees.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

layoffs are what made the stock tank

Yeah, it’s usually the opposite: Layoffs by themselves usually make the stock go up, as the company is reducing their expenses.

The issue with Intel is that they announced layoffs combined with a bad earnings call, so it’s a sign the company isn’t going so well.

VantaBrandon ,

But surely the desktop PC market is going to bounce back soon

Any day now

Ilovethebomb ,

They’re still around, and will be for business, gaming etc for a long time. The desktop isn’t going away.

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