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ByteOnBikes ,

This is why Chinese knock offs are winning.

Not because of price, but because of shit like this.

Teknikal ,
@Teknikal@eviltoast.org avatar

This is moronic if we let this nonsense continue how long until we have to subscribe for a microwave, tv, hifi, salt grinder etc.

Stop giving these things money please.

Microplasticbrain ,

Haha more like a never mouse

TK420 ,

I didn’t see Sonos being dropped from my list of companies to buy products from in 2024, is Logitech joining that list this year too?

On the right track it seems!

WheelcharArtist ,

my forever mouse is a 15+ years old mx518

rubicon ,

Right? If it was a g604 I might be tempted…

giacomo ,

forever subscription, you say?

VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Uh, what would I be paying for, exactly? I don’t really see what Software support a mouse really needs, as long as it doesn’t ship buggy. Also, I’ve been using my (Logitech, funnily) mouse for 6 years now, and if you ignore the few scratches it has gathered, it still works pretty much perfectly.

Also, if their solution for a longer lasting mouse really is repairability, isn’t that just their way of saying “we designed our other products to be thrown away”?

douglasg14b , (edited )
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

You would be paying for the privilege of using a Logitech mouse of course!

The company has to grow indefinitely and you my friendly consumer are the back on which they will walk to do so.

Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll never acquire smaller and successful manufacturers that risk undermining their profit structures.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Side question since this concept is obviously rent seeking… Why is there not a market for premium custom mice like there are for keyboards?

All the mice over the ~$80 range seem to only be gamer mice or focus on adding more and more buttons. Why aren’t there options that are customizable or more premium?

I get that no one wants a solid machined aluminum mouse but surely there is something more premium than adding more buttons.

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

It’s trackball that are premium in fact

Cuttlefish1111 ,

This concept should be expanded to every industry so the idea itself is abandoned and the thought of subscription shows its poor quality or subscription based

fhqwgads , (edited )

Custom keyboards took off because of mechanical switches. Back in the day people wanted mechanical switches because they last longer than membrane ones, and so you wound up with a bunch of companies producing relatively easy to manufacture mechanical switches. Those switches all felt and sounded a little different so you got people who wanted a specific feel and sound and it grew from there.

There hasn’t really been the same push with mice because even really cheap ones work really well. Optical sensors are way harder to produce than key switches, and while there are a few different ones on the market other than dpi and polling rate they kind of all act the same - it kind of either tracks right or it doesn’t. There’s no differentiation unlike switches that are “tactile” or “linear” or “scratchy”. And because of size restrictions you can’t really have the same kind of switches as keyboards use for the buttons. And unlike the really niche keyboard people who do their own PCB and machine their own case, making a good mouse on your own from scratch is way more difficult. They’re weird shaped and it’s much more difficult to change things like optical tracking algorithms compared to macros on a 40% keyboard. You can do a run of 100 super niche keyboards and make it work, but just the injection molds for one mouse mean you need to make 10000, which stops it being a project and makes it a business.

There are premium mice manufacturers, but in general they either are going super light, super ergonomic, or super functional - and honestly they have a hard time competing with a company like Logitech that can produce really similar features for a fraction of the cost and have a decent reputation to boot.

absGeekNZ , (edited )
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

But the Ploopy mouse already exists.

Curious_Canid ,
@Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca avatar

Company that makes Mice: Hey, what if we actually built a good mouse!

lobut ,

I was intrigued by the idea, I was like, “oooh a modular mouse where it could be a trackball or vertical mouse or multi-sensor components with obvious replacement parts that they’d sell to make it easy on repair”!

Then I saw software and I’m like wtf? do I look like I need something else to Crowdstrike me? “Can’t work today boss, credit card didn’t update my mouse subscription hang on…”

Crafter72 ,
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no, anyway. Glad I never touched their peripherals because they’re overpriced like Razer and other bigger companies.

clicking away with my knockoff OEM reliable gaming mouse

Imo software update for Mouse is not that necessarily crucial unless you had nasty bugs like Cooler Master during launching their mouse. My endgame mouse is MM712 and happy with that👍🏼

Also you can build your own mouse though iirc may be harder than building DIY keyboard (sc: built custom macropad for college project).

rustydomino ,
@rustydomino@lemmy.world avatar

lmfao. At one point the Logitech mouse driver for MacOS was a 1GB download. They want me to pay for that shit??? gtfo.

PenisDuckCuck9001 , (edited )

If it gets to the point where we have to pay a monthly fee to use computer peripherals I’m going to dedicate all my spare time to making open source alternatives. Become ungovernable.

Jolteon ,

There’s already plenty of open source alternatives. Mouse drivers are relatively simple.

tiredofsametab ,

I will learn to build a mouse and write my own damn drivers first.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I actually know how to do this off the top of my head and you don’t need to write a driver for it, you could simply use an Arduino Micro.

The Micro (and other Arduino-compatible Atmel ATMEGA 32u4-based microcontrollers) have native USB support so they have a library you can import that will work with generic USB keyboard/mouse drivers. It would be up to you to rig up the sensors and buttons, make a case and write a little firmware.

tiredofsametab ,

Nice! Thank you!

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

But the Ploopy mouse already exists.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

That’s a $130 (US, I’m assuming) mouse. Looks dope, though

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

$100 - $135 Canada style monies. +$27 for shipping to New Zealand. So up $160CAD…very expensive for a mouse, but not as crazy as some gaming mice.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Low supply / small batch, with open source software and (it seems) hardware. Logitech MX Master 3S is $140 CAD, and it’s fully closed source. I’d say their price is in line with these types of premium mice. BUT it’s too much for mouse anyway lol

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The site apparently doesn’t resizes images in a smart way.

https://quokk.au/pictrs/image/d30c491d-1fc8-4b56-988d-908ac8ee0a1a.jpeg

Or these mice need a diet.

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