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admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

I guess now is as good a time as any for them to start using a proper password manager.

Personally, I recommend Keepass - it has multiple clients for all platforms, and you can keep the file in sync with a program of your own choosing, like Dropbox, syncthing or whatever you like.

SaltySalamander ,

Vaultwarden ftw

GoJimi ,

Exactly! Self hosted FTW. Chances of a data breach… Typically pretty minor if you are smart.

pennomi ,

Chances of losing the data is higher with selfhosting too. Unless you’re doing some sort of multizone replication, or course.

GoJimi ,

Yeah. Daily and weekly cloud backups solve that for myself for sure.

nialv7 ,

I use syncthing so there’s a copy of my password database on each of my devices.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

I am hosting on Home Assistant which itself gets a backup to my Google drive and my personal machine. So there are two backups, as long as HA doesn’t create a corrupted backup 3 weeks in a row I am good.

Lem453 ,

Borg backup to borgbase is not very expensive and borg will encrypt the data plus the vault is also encrypted

Lem453 ,

Keep vaultwarden behind wireguard for local only access then also use https certs and good master password. Very secure like this

N1ghtstalk3r ,
@N1ghtstalk3r@lemmy.world avatar

+1 for a self-hosted Vaultwarden instance. If you’re technically capable and have extra hardware laying around this is the best way to go.

TimLovesTech ,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

Although a backup is still required or you are gambling on hardware outliving your need for your data.

N1ghtstalk3r ,
@N1ghtstalk3r@lemmy.world avatar

100%. Make sure to follow the 3-2-1 backup rule with all things you do.

Lem453 ,

Anyone with the knowledge to self host will quickly discover 3-2-1. If they choose to follow it, that’s on them but data loss won’t be from ignorance

Wistful ,
@Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Keepass XC on PC, Keepass DX on Android, Syncthing to sync database

Works flawlessly!

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Most amazingly, this setup is also unexpectedly resilient against merge conflicts and can sync even when two copies have changed. You wouldn’t expect that from tools relying on 3rd party file syncing.

I still try to avoid it, but every time it accidentally happened, I could just merge the changes automatically without losing data.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Shoutouts to paper and pen.

Keep the booklet in a safe place.

maccentric ,

Typically, the drawer just below the keyboard (in my experience)

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Hopefully someone in the house is supposed to be there, or they just take the TV.

slumberlust ,

If it’s my mother, post it notes stuck to the laptop…

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

If you never, ever need your passwords outside of your home, that’s great advice - it’s as secure as can be against digital theft. Less so against fire though, and backups are out of the question.

nous ,

You can have backups of physical books. Just copy the text from one to the other. Yeah it is manual work but so is writing the first one in the first place. You can then store the second copy in a fire resistant safe or at a friends or family members house (maybe inside a safe as well).

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Well you can write a copy and keep it in a shed if it’s unlikely to also catch fire.

Shdwdrgn ,

I just store all my passwords in robots.txt on my web server, makes it easy for me to access them anywhere I go…

/s

lauha ,

I have a firesafe at home for important papers, passports and some emergency cash. I keep my passwords there.

Ilovethebomb ,

This is the first suggestion here that’s actually within the technical abilities of most people, even most Lemmy users.

The level of technical knowledge some of people here seem to think the general public has is absurd.

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

If getting a Dropbox account is too difficult for them, I seriously wonder why they’d be subscribed here, or reading articles about password management in browsers.

Ilovethebomb ,

Because I’m interested in tech news, especially since the world we live in can’t function without it.

Besides, Lemmy seems to seriously overestimate the technical abilities of, well, most people.

GissaMittJobb ,

Bitwarden is probably a more pragmatic choice for most users, given that it’s free and without having to manage the syncing yourself.

Any password manager is better than the alternative, though.

daddy32 ,

“Chrome users” or “Chrome under windows users” would be closer to the truth. Still, quite a screw up.

tdawg ,

Something like 2/3rds of the world uses chrome for desktop. I’d bet that number is higher for windows specifically. If you’re the rare person who doesn’t use chrome then you’re savy enough to know this doesn’t apply to you

knacht1 ,
@knacht1@lemmy.world avatar

Bitwarden here. Works well.

parpol ,

Sweet. A special sunday collaboration episode of Why You Use Firefox, and Why You Use Linux.

BearOfaTime ,

I don’t use the password manager in Firefox, what a terrible idea.

Use an independent password manager, something purpose-built.

And using Linux? Hahaha, right, right. Call me when there’s a serious OneNote, or even more importantly, Excel competitor. (Or even a standard shell on Linux, or the same set of tools built in).

Aatube ,

Use an independent password manager, something purpose-built.

Why? You're talking as if browser password managers aren't purpose-built. "I love entering a password to fill my passwords for me instead of entering a password" —statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged. (I think we all should just use auto-locking.)

OneNote

Web-based stuff like Notion and Google Keep

Excel

LibreOffice Calc with Tabbed UI

standard shell

what is that

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

Call me when there’s a serious OneNote…

OneNote works on the web, but there’s also Notenook if someone is looking for similar features with an app for offline access + End-to-end encryption and open source alternative. I’ve got it syncing to my Android, Windows, Linux and Mac clients without issue.

…or even more importantly, Excel competitor.

There’s OnlyOffice which has a spreadsheet. Yeah it’s not Excel which has existed for a million years, but it should work for the vast majority of users’ basic needs. It may not work for your specific use case, but it is a viable alternative that exists today. If you want more online collaborative features (like the o365 version has) you can use CryptPad, which provides an end-to-end encrypted and open-source collaboration suite, including the web version of OnlyOffice Spreadsheets.

Or even a standard shell on Linux…

What does this even mean? Nearly every major Linux distro sets bash as the default shell, and if not the default, is probably already installed and called if needed. Not sure I understand the problem here.

…or the same set of tools built in

Stick to a single OS and you get the same set of tools built in? This is a strange statement to be making against a system that not only thrives on diversity but has lots of niche systems that require a myriad of default tools.

I do completely agree about not using any browser’s built-in password manager.

tabular , (edited )
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

It is not the software which can lack seriousness, but the developer and the user. One is proprietary where the developer controls the user’s computing - the other is free software where the user is in control (free as in freedom).

AlexanderESmith ,

I agree that using browser-based password managers is not a good idea, but everything else you said was willfully ignorant.

  • OneNote isn't that special, and you don't need Windows to use it.
  • There are half a dozen excel competitors that are feature complete (OpenOffice, LibreOffice, GSuite, Zoho, Gnumeric...)
  • All shells use the same standard tools, excepting a few bulit-ins (because most tools are external to the shell). Some shells have different syntax, but most of them share most syntax. In 90% of cases, the default shell is bash, or an offshoot (dash, etc), which are all descendants of sh, so unless you're using an extended feature set, scripts are cross-compatible.
lemmyvore ,

Firefox Sync was purposefully built too, they didn’t wake up one day to find it on the porch in a basket.

It syncs passwords, works on desktop and mobile and can do some other cool stuff — syncs tabs and bookmarks, alerts you to password breaches, send tabs from one device to another, lets you export your passwords etc. It’s a good password manager.

yggstyle ,

A better statement should be: you should remain vigilant and light on attachment to any banner. If an ill wind blows and you don’t like it, it’s time to move. Control your data- aspire to be a digital nomad.

Firefox isn’t without it’s own issues, recently. Google used to be viewed as a paragon once, too.

kbin_space_program ,

Google was always incorrectly viewed as a paragon.

yggstyle ,

Once upon a time I think they were largely harmless … but once they started leaning into profit over quality they went rotten in a hurry. Exactly why I’m concerned with mozilla’s path.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Must have been when it was still a bunch of servers in a garage.

ArcaneSlime ,

Well, there does keep being more reasons by the day…

Ilovethebomb ,

How do you know someone runs Linux?

Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

sidgames5 ,

Keepass has been working with no issues

FauxPseudo ,
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

That’s definitely a change from companies just leaving passwords around for anyone to find.

homesweethomeMrL ,

No $10 gift card?

Lame.

ZarkleFarkle ,

I put all my passwords in a text document, then print it on a little strip of paper and shove it up my ass. Whenever I take a crap, I dig it out from the turds and try to memorise some of them again. Then I shove it back up there where noone else can find my data and I won’t lose it.

ZarkleFarkle ,

Forgot to mention I delete the text document and set fire to the computer’s hard drive. The passwords are only ever in my ass, with the rest of my personal shit.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Following up your own shit post with another shit post is shit post gold.

lemmyvore ,

This tracks very close to my idea of the suppository flask stick.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Premium Bitwarden is so cheap and effective that I find it difficult to justify using an alternative.

Evotech ,

Still. Back it up

Evil_Shrubbery ,

They didn’t vanish, it’s just that now only Google has them.

angelmountain ,

No password manager is 100% safe. Make back-ups.

Beaver ,
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Switches to Proton Pass

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