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Nobody ,

Are there whataboutism arguments? Yes, many.

Has Chinese intelligence lost access to a treasure trove of US data? Yes.

Are US kids’ already dwindling attention spans going to be saved from exposure to the TikTok algorithm? Yes.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

mihies ,

Let's declare any successful foreign country as enemy and either ban, or better, steal their products. True market.

Confused_Emus ,

China would certainly know a lot about stealing intellectual property from successful countries.

WhatsThePoint ,

Right?! As well as banning social media. China has banned basically every American social media long before this.

Woozythebear ,

You’re the type of person to hate on China for the way they control the internet then root for the same thing to happen here.

Rakonat ,

Apples to Oranges. This isn’t about preventing TikTok users from seeing content the US deems harmful, it’s the delivery mechanism for that content is such a gaping hole of security it doesn’t even qualify as a backdoor espionage. It’s going straight through the front door to gather data illicitly for reasons unknown. Adversarial nations are marked such for good reason and not a title lightly given.

TikTok isn’t the only social media that should be banned here but I’m honestly struggling to understand why people are fighting so hard to defend it, it’s a massive data leaking engine that harvests so much more information that it needs for people to share funny fortnite dances and cat videos. That and siix months from now if the ban goes through some other app is going to pop up to fill the void while existing apps and social media platforms have already been trying to cater to the short video sharing for a long time now.

Woozythebear ,

Do you have any proof of this? Or just repeating propaganda.

Rakonat ,

www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/…/index.html

CCP used tiktok data to identify and track pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong in 2018.

Woozythebear ,

That doesn’t prove a single thing you claimed. Every country does this with every social media app. I didn’t know watching peoples Tik Toks meant they owned the company.

thejynxed ,

The Red Army has had an intelligence office located directly in ByteDance headquarters, it goes without saying they’re doing more than just watching someone’s videos.

Woozythebear ,

Do you think people are as uneducated as you are? Just because you eat up American propaganda doesn’t mean everyone is as dumb as you and will fall for the same lies.

admin ,
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Actually, you’re right.

If we consider this normal, it would totally be acceptable for Europe to demand a ban or sale of American spying and propaganda tools social media and streaming platforms. Either way, it would reduce the harm they could do - and in the case of a sale, they’d actually have to adhere to consumer friendly laws.

Kiosade ,

They probably should. FB and all those other apps suck just as much.

TheBat ,
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Fucken do it.

admin ,
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I wish we would, but on the other hand, not being a totalitarian regime is kind of the reason why it’s better here. Damned if you you, damned if you don’t.

TheBat ,
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Protecting citizens’ interests is not totalitarian.

admin ,
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If it was about protecting citizens interests, PRISM would have been declared illegal and disbanded, not hushed and expanded.

TheBat ,
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PRISM is European?

force ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

TheBat ,
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Read the whole comment chain again. The other guy said ‘it should be ok for Europeans to ban US social media’. I said ‘do it’. And they then replied about totalitarianism.

So the mention of PRISM confused me because I was talking about EU countries banning facebook and Instagram to protect their citizens.

Lucidlethargy ,

I mean, they really should. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter… These are all trash.

Thorny_Insight , (edited )

I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

I agree with the chinese intelligence part but other than that, this is basically the government telling you how to live your life rather than letting you choose yourself. In my opinion we should be allowed to make bad choices. What’s next? Ban on sugar and mandatory excercise for everyone? Obviously I’m being hyperbolic but this is a step in exactly that direction.

starman ,
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What’s next? Ban on sugar and mandatory excercise for everyone?

Maybe a wall-mounted screen that would, of course, help you exercise.

Redecco ,

Agree that the hyperbolic situations would be problematic but luckily tiktok is only one of the many social media options out there. I’d also consider that content like tiktok can be targeted at kids who arent developed enough to make the right choices yet. Taking freedom away is bad but getting hooked on tiktok is hardly a passive choice when it’s the platforms goal to keep you swiping and social influence makes it near impossible to avoid. I’d see it as a grey area when taking choices away. Like removing a lot of extra sugar from school lunches I think was already a goal, as is taking physical fitness in school. There are choices to avoid those options so it’s not a blanket ban on that opportunity, but I definitely don’t see it as a slippery slope.

There will be something new that pops up. Or the US companies out there might just buy tiktok anyways.

Sl00k , (edited )

Are US kids’ already dwindling attention spans going to be saved from exposure to the TikTok algorithm? Yes.

You’re pinning the blame on tiktok when this also applies to YouTube (shorts and not), Instagram (Reels), Twitter. If we wanted an actual solution here we would implement actual children screen time laws, ironically similar to the under 18 gaming laws that have been implemented in China.

Tiktok is the only platform I’ve seen legitimate progressive movement on various issues and discussions centering on what that means and takes, in a way that actually fosters a great democratic progressive movement in the US.

From all I’ve read on this issue, not a single person has provided me with any insight into what or who this benefits that does not also apply to every other social media other than an entirely fabricated myth that they’re controlling the algorithms to spread anti US sentiment. Anti-US sentiment definitely exists, but it exists as a discussion around what the US is currently doing. I.e. funding Israel, and as a counterargument to that I am also fed state department interviews on my FYP.

Mangoholic ,

80% of contant on tik tok is pro Palestine compared to 20% pro Isreal. They cannot have the young generation be made aware of the world’s injustices. Thats why it was the fastest bill to pass.

shasta ,

You’re saying all content on TikTok is about Palestine or Israel. Math doesn’t add up.

Mangoholic ,

Dude think for a moment its not hard to understand. Obviously the percentage describes the contant ratio between the two political fronts.

Corkyskog ,

This is my point when people say “it’s just getting sold, don’t worry”. Yeah I am sure after Google, FB or Steven Mnuchin’s investor group buys it I will still see all the pro Palestine stuff in my feed…

Shyfer ,

It’s the new red scare basically.

surewhynotlem ,

saved from exposure to the TikTok algorithm?

I don’t understand. It will just be bought. It won’t go anywhere.

malloc ,

My $1 bid is ready to submit to ByteDance once grandpa signs that bill.

cm0002 ,

Get in line buddy, I’m entering this race with $1.01!!

residentmarchant ,

How are you raising that kind of capital in this environment!? I can only dream of it!

Ghostalmedia OP ,
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Selling off old memes that were appraised at !antiquememesroadshow

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate passed legislation Tuesday that would force TikTok’s China-based parent company to sell the social media platform under the threat of a ban, a contentious move by U.S. lawmakers that’s expected to face legal challenges and disrupt the lives of content creators who rely on the short-form video app for income.

For years, lawmakers and administration officials have expressed concerns that Chinese authorities could force ByteDance to hand over U.S. user data, or influence Americans by suppressing or promoting certain content on TikTok.

Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat who voted for the legislation, said he has concerns about TikTok, but he’s also worried the bill could have negative effects on free speech, doesn’t do enough to protect consumer privacy and could potentially be abused by a future administration to violate First Amendment rights.

“At the stage that the bill is signed, we will move to the courts for a legal challenge,” Michael Beckerman, TikTok’s head of public policy for the Americas, wrote in a memo sent to employees on Saturday and obtained by The Associated Press.

Since then, TikTok has been in negotiations about its future with the secretive Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, a little-known government agency tasked with investigating corporate deals for national security concerns.

“As I started to reflect some months ago on the stresses of the last few years and the new generation of challenges that lie ahead, I decided that the time was right to pass the baton to a new leader,” Andersen wrote in an internal memo that was obtained by the AP.

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