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ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Excuse me what

db2 ,

It looks like they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won’t work around it. If it’s because they’d have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm… I’ll have to look for these applications. Some of them seem ubiquitous.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow

Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.

Whirling_Cloudburst ,

There were so many times that updating Win7 was a nightmare. I used to do plenty of fresh installs on various PCs and I would have to wait a day or sometimes more to get the OS up to date. I would have thought we moved past this by now.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely not. Sometimes you even have to install additional bloatware like “HP support assistant” for example to complete the update process because the built-in update system is dysfunctional af.

dditty ,

Yup or Dell SupportAssist, or Lenovo System Update, etc

rottingleaf ,

Microsoft’s update mechanism is just fucking awful trash, they should replace it with downloading an archive and unpacking it.

They seem to think they are very smart with all those binary deltas, but it appears to be so complex that nobody inside that company understands it fully, and that’s for more than 10 years.

Apparently people responsible for creating it still work there in important places, can’t find another explanation.

trolololol ,

They probably failed upwards

jsonjson ,

But really, there’s Microsoft apps in that list.

superb ,
@superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Large companies do not shy away from making workaround for specific apps. Every large platform that I know of has some form of app specific workarounds to fix problems with popular apps. Graphics drivers, browsers, iOS, Android. I haven’t heard any stories about windows but given their commitment to backwards compatibility, they must have

muntedcrocodile ,

Why?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I assume because said apps and drivers break if the OS is updated.

muntedcrocodile ,

That’s what I assumed but why would an is update break WO many things are they deprecating parts of the windows kernel?

j4k3 ,
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  • rottingleaf ,

    That kind of attack is not possible with a signed kernel module/driver.

    How is using a compromised userspace library not possible with a signed kernel module?

    That aside, if the events would unfold similarly, the software requiring to be signed would be, in fact, signed.

    An awfully stupid comment TBF. As if you desperately tried to defend MS. EDIT: Sorry, that was just my irritation.

    otter OP ,

    Full list from this comment on another thread: lemmy.ca/comment/8470544

    ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

    EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

    ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

    iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

    RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

    StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

    Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

    MergeSdb (Microsoft)

    Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

    Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

    Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

    ichbinjasokreativ ,

    They won’t give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?

    TWeaK ,

    The article says it’s only a specific Win7 version of VLC that’s blocked, so maybe that’s the case with these also.

    Hamartiogonic ,
    @Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Ok, so a newer version should be fine I guess. If that’s the case, the title should be: “If you’re still running these prehistoric software, Windows won’t be able to update“

    shalva97 ,

    Too late. People in comment section already decided to install Linux

    aniki ,

    good

    Hamartiogonic ,
    @Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Can’t complain about that conclusion either. It fixes all your Windows problems once and for all.

    BearOfaTime ,

    But doesn’t solve your Linux problems

    Hamartiogonic , (edited )
    @Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

    😂 true

    Landless2029 ,

    But… clickbait and drama~~~

    You should know people only read headlines!

    Hamartiogonic ,
    @Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Yeah, and the headline is supposed to maximize the clicks, along with your fear, hatred and rage.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    i’m still not really sure why this would matter. Does updating break that software? Seems like an easy fix.

    Hamartiogonic ,
    @Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

    That was a weird article. The simplest fix would be to keep your apps updated.

    Although, in typical MS style, the error message will probably be either vague and cryptic or otherwise completely useless. If you stumble upon an update problem like this, troubleshooting it doesn’t sound fun.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    ah right, yeah, that part of microsoft, i forgot about that one.

    bitwolf ,

    Or software made by Microsoft themselves!

    stealth_cookies ,

    Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year’s old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.

    JohnDClay ,

    Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter

    Wow, how did they break that? Signing issue maybe?

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