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InternetTubes ,

YouTube Premium is that one streaming service I’ve never been attracted to. It surprises me people pay for it.The funny thing is most of my normal adblockers deal with YouTube’s ads even though they are not the reason I installed them.

NuPNuA ,

I got three months free and realised YT music was included and had everything I listen to on Spotify anyway so I cancelled Spotify and moved over, essentially I’m only paying about two quid a month to remove ads on YT which seems fair enough.

minorsecond ,

I used a VPN to sign up and pay like $2.50 US per month for it. That’s worth it for no ads to me.

adibis ,

The issue is, people are getting notices from Google for using ad blocker. Three strikes and you’re not allowed to watch videos on that account anymore.

Kilamaos ,

I don’t have to bother with ads on desktop, TV, phone, nor on my gf’s devices. I don’t have to find work around, use sideloaded apps or whatever. And youtube is by far and wide my most watched platform, has been for years.

It also includes youtube music, which has been my exclusive music platforms, either to play during work, household chores, on my phone or on my Google home, or in the car.

To me, it’s not even a question if it’s worth it. If anything, it’s my Netflix, crunchyroll, hidive subs that I should drop. They are replaced way more easily

Shrek ,

I get that. It’s the only subscription that I pay for. But, I don’t really watch TV/movies/sports. Every night, when I lay in bed the first thing I do is open YouTube on my TV. Everyone has a preference.

zeriah ,

When Google announced Play Music in 2011, I got in early and my subscription price was locked in at $8 USD a month. They gave me Youtube Premium (and Youtube Music) when that launched as part of that subscription. When Play Music was killed, my Premium membership continued at $8 a month.

At the moment, I’m fine paying this very specific early adopter price since I watch a lot of Youtube content. If they ever raise the price on me, it’s getting dropped.

Tb0n3 ,

Have you checked the price lately? They upped the family plan for me over 50% in April.

VioletteRei ,
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They didn’t upped his price because he’s a early member

lyam23 ,

In the article say that grandfathered accounts would get three additional months at their current price but would ultimately be raised?

IamSparticles ,

Same. I’ll be keeping an eye on it. I really like having access to YouTube without ads, but I detest YouTube Music and opted to pay for a Spotify subscription a few months after they killed Play Music. I’m not going to pay that much for just the lack of ads. I may find another way.

tswerts ,

I started several years ago with the YouTube Premium family plan. It gave me:

  • YouTube Originals
  • YouTube Music
  • No ads
  • Background playing

My kids are fine with it. It saves me and them a Spotify subscription. Having YouTube Originals disappear somewhat, lessened the value for me. Once the kids are not under my roof anymore, I’ll have to rethink this subscription plan. But that will be in eight years, or so. In that time so much will change, it’s not even worth thinking about it.

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    Kilamaos ,

    Not OP, but i often watch yt on my smart TV. And my gf has an iPhone. I don’t think there are easy solutions for this. So, hard no anyway

    yoz ,

    Google can raise the price all it wants. I use newpipe. If google kills the API access, i’ll use odysee.

    HnuWETqkp4YG ,

    Newpipe doesn’t use youtube’s API. It scrapes html and is therefore not bound by Google’s API TOS. Newpipe shouldn’t be vulnerable to valid takedown requests

    github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/issues/9299

    specfreq ,
    @specfreq@lemmy.world avatar

    I like Odysee but I really NEED to use YouTube to get a lot of things. I wish I could just choose my favorite YouTube channels and host their stuff for them on Odysee and then I would actually use it.

    flossdaily ,

    I pay $22 per month for the family plan because I don’t want my kids or my folks to have to be constantly inundated with ads. And I enjoy being and to play free music that is exactly the songs I want.

    I was really upset when they raised the price on me, and kicked me off the grandfather plan. But in the end I decided it was still worth it.

    But what the real cost to Google is here is that they have evaporated my loyalty and good will. I now see them as a company that will squeeze me when they know they can get away with it, and that my loyalty and being an early adopter means nothing to them.

    That will definitely affect every future buying decision I make for future products and services.

    HiddenLayer5 ,

    Psst, Invidious and NewPipe don’t have ads either!

    Latecoere ,
    @Latecoere@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    But what the real cost to Google is here is that they have evaporated my loyalty and good will. I now see them as a company that will squeeze me when they know they can get away with it, and that my loyalty and being an early adopter means nothing to them.

    You really expected more from Google?

    flossdaily ,

    Yes. I was an early adopter away back when their motto was “don’t be evil”, when Android devices were premium hardware at extremely low prices, when Google apps were free or super cheap.

    They have changed over time. They weren’t always greedy scumbags.

    bloopinator ,

    Google went public in 2004. They’ve always been greedy scumbags. It’s just more apparent now since they are constantly looking for new ways to extract money from their customers.

    PeleSpirit ,

    @ChatGPT According to what Google has done, have they ever looked out for their customer’s interest?

    ChatGPT Bot ,

    Google, like many tech companies, often promotes the idea that its services are designed with customer interest in mind. Features such as personalized search results, targeted advertising, and location-based services are promoted as benefits to the user. Google Meet, Google Classroom, and Google Docs are some tools that are particularly relevant in remote working and learning environments. Additionally, they have made efforts towards user security with two-factor authentication, safe browsing technology, and by alerting users to suspected phishing attempts.

    However, Google has also been criticized for its data collection and privacy practices. Critics point out that these personalized and location-based services also mean collecting vast amounts of personal data on users, which may compromise their privacy.

    So, it could be seen as a mixed bag - while Google provides expedient and useful services, concerns about data privacy and how this information is used persist. As an individual user, it’s important to stay informed about these issues in order to make choices that best serve your own interests and comfort level with privacy.

    PeleSpirit ,

    @ChatGPT Why should I as a person and customer be concerned about Google having my data? What would they do with it?

    ChatGPT Bot ,

    As a user of Google’s services, it’s natural to be curious about why you should be concerned about data privacy. Here are some reasons:

    1. Data Profiling: Google collects data from its network of services to develop a detailed profile of you. This includes your search queries and interests, websites visited, video history, location data, emails, and more. This profile helps them to predict and influence your behavior, which can be a concern if you value your privacy.
    2. Targeted Advertising: A significant part of Google’s income is derived from advertising. By collecting your data, they can display hyper-targeted ads that are more likely to lead you to purchase a product or service. While this might seem beneficial, it can feel intrusive and manipulative.
    3. Sharing/selling to Third parties: While Google states in its privacy policy that they do not sell your personal info, they do share your data with third-parties for reasons such as improving their services, developing new ones, and for advertising purposes.
    4. Potential Data Breaches: While Google has robust security measures in place to protect user data, breaches can and do occur in the digital world. In such cases, your sensitive data could potentially be exposed to malicious parties.
    5. Ethical Concerns: Some people have concerns about the sheer volume of data collected by Big Tech companies like Google, how it’s stored, whether it’s anonymized securely, etc. The concentration of so much data in the hands of a few entities raises questions about monopoly and power dynamics.

    As in all things, it’s essential to weigh the convenience and benefits Google provides with these potential downsides. Using privacy-oriented alternatives or adjusting your privacy settings can help you maintain a greater level of control over your personal data.

    PeleSpirit ,

    @ChatGPT Have there been any real world consequences of Google having someone’s data? If so, what are they?

    ChatGPT Bot ,

    Yes, there have been numerous real-world consequences associated with Google having access to people’s data. Here are a few examples:

    1. Targeted Advertising: Google collects data about what you search for, what websites you visit, and other details about your online behavior in order to serve you personalized ads. Many people find this kind of targeted advertising invasive and uncomfortable.
    2. Data Breaches: In the event of a data breach, the vast amount of personal data Google collects could potentially fall into the wrong hands. This could lead to identity theft, financial fraud, and other serious personal harm.
    3. Loss of Privacy: Perhaps the most immediate consequence is a fundamental loss of privacy. Because Google collects so much data, it can build an extremely detailed profile of your behavior and interests. This can feel intrusive and worryingly close to surveillance.
    4. Economic Disparities and Discrimination: Google can manipulate the online visibility of individuals and businesses, influencing who succeeds and who doesn’t. Poor data protection practices can lead to consumers receiving different pricing options based on their online behavior.
    5. Manipulation of Political Views: User’s search data can be used to feed them tailor-made content that reinforces their existing views, potentially leading to the spread of misinformation, polarization, and manipulation of political perspectives.
    6. Dependency: Over-reliance on Google’s services can limit users’ awareness and usage of alternative platforms or services, leading to over-dependency, monopolies, and less innovation.

    Please remember that it also depends on how Google and other companies use and protect the collected data. It’s recommended to use privacy-enhanced tools, be aware of your digital rights and to carefully read the privacy policies of the services you use.

    darknesskidney ,

    nypost.com/…/google-bans-dad-for-sending-pics-of-…

    get caught in an automated process and have your life ruined, for starters. I’d say that’s a pretty real world consequence of letting Alphabet scan all of your photos.

    Techmaster ,

    I’ve had a bunch of their pixel phones and one ended up breaking. So I did a warranty exchange and they kept sending me bad phones with even more problems than the one before it. Like their refurb department doesn’t even bother fixing a bad device before sending it to their next victim. And they have zero customer service, so I was pretty much screwed. No more pixels for me.

    Latecoere ,
    @Latecoere@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The ‘Don’t be evil’ era was quite a long time ago now. Google’s been greedy scumbags for quite some time now so this really isn’t that unexpected.

    bloopinator ,

    Yeah I love Youtube Premium on the family plan. People on the internet act like there’s no benefit to it as long as Adblock and Youtube Vanced exist. Meanwhile I have an iPhone, smart TVs, and my whole family does too. My nieces and nephews don’t have to get bombarded with ads, and that’s well worth it to me. But the way they silently jacked the price up $5 per month was a total dick move that I’m not happy about. If they keep pulling this shit, it’s only a matter of time before I find another solution.

    Gestrid ,

    smart TVs

    SmartTube can solve that issue, at least, assuming it runs any form of Android. I don’t know enough about iPhone to know if there’s an alternative there.

    Tb0n3 ,

    I had that for $14 a month and they were going to raise it to $22 so I said bye just at the perfect time since ReVanced released it’s manager to install.

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    Doesn’t matter to them what you think, since they can simply buy any good alternative that show up.

    Basically these companies are similar to kings now. They own our services and our data. And the peasants may whine a bit but can do nothing.

    At least on Lemmy we are left alone for now.

    CriticalMiss ,

    Oh no. Anyway.

    uollano ,

    Well, I guess I bought the yearly sub in Turkish liras just in time (about $20/year)

    iamhangry ,

    Exactly. 14 a month is better to just download Adblock and work on the alternatives. 20 a year, considering the amount of youtube and youtube music I use is a great deal.

    VioletteRei ,
    @VioletteRei@lemmy.world avatar

    How do you do that? Would like to do it too

    uollano ,

    You just need a VPN and a virtual credit card that allows for currency conversion (so you’re effectively paying in the target currency). I did this a couple of months ago, so I cannot guarantee this still works

    daniskarma ,

    I don’t have the money to sustain the “everything is a subscription” simple as that. So adblockers and piracy is the only way to get media content.

    I still go to the cinema, but some cinemas over here are already experimenting with subscriptions.

    1bluepixel ,
    @1bluepixel@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’d be willing to pay for a few subscriptions if I didn’t feel like subscription services are trying to gouge me left and right. I miss the days when subscriptions to Netflix and Spotify gave me access to 90% of content online.

    Contrast this with Steam, which gives me centralized convenience, seamless updates, online sync, achievements… No wonder that’s where I spend almost all of my entertainment money these days.

    Virgo ,

    By the time steam chokes and shittifies we are all doomed

    PeefJerky ,
    @PeefJerky@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s like what cable networks did back in the day, if you want to view a channel, subscribe to it. We have come full circle.

    Shardikprime ,

    Good lord they are going to put ads again in streaming services aren’t they

    TheMinions ,

    They already have.

    Shardikprime ,

    Where? Haven’t seen one on Amazon prime, Netflix or HBO yet

    TheMinions ,

    Peacock, Paramount+, Hulu, and YouTube TV all have ads or ad plans. Some even just have ads on popular shows no matter the price you pay.

    basskitten ,

    netflix has a plan with ads! help.netflix.com/en/node/126831

    amazon uses prime video as a hook to get you to sign up for prime membership (which itself has been steadily increasing in price).

    i’d be shocked if HBO didn’t introduce an ad-supported price tier at some point in the future. that totally seems like zaslav’s MO.

    NotSteve_ ,

    I’ve started getting ads for other shows and movies on Prime. I’m sure they’ll start putting other ads in front of the actual content too soon

    Sharkwellington ,

    going to

    Uhhhh

    Shardikprime ,

    Wait Netflix has ads?

    Sharkwellington ,

    They have a plan with ads and just removed the basic plan as well.

    Shardikprime ,

    Well fuck me sideways

    SJ0 ,

    I do pay for a couple subscriptions, but in the 2000s I had a subscription service for video games called GameTap and it was great except they could add and remove games on a whim and when you stop paying you lose access to all of it. So you need to remember a subscription service is ephemeral and there’s long term benefits to having the files yourself.

    CorruptBuddha ,

    I just don’t care 🙌

    I seriously couldn’t give two fucks about supporting influencers or tech companies. Uploaders can pay for the infrastructure for all I care. Like people use to host websites out of passion, now everything is about profits, and politics, why would I want to support that? Why should I give two fucks about making someone else rich?

    Fuck that shit. You can get cracked copies of the YouTube App that give a much better experience.

    homura1650 ,

    A single ticket to my local movie theater costs $16.50 for an adult ticket to a typical movie. That is already more expensive than a month of unlimited Youtube premium, even at the inflated price.

    Video streaming is a consumable product. What model would you prefer. Ad supported is still available. A la carte is reasonable in theory, but doesn’t seem like it would work well for a site like youtube (even though youtube does have some a-la-carte offerings such as movies)

    We used to have a movie subscription service around here. It failed because it was essentially sellings dimes for nickels.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    From an actual cost perspective, a video streaming on YouTube is not even remotely the same as a movie ticket. The company selling the movie ticket has to price each ticket to ensure that the company can make enough money to cover:

    • Rent/lease for the building
    • Wages for employees
    • Purchase/rental of movies from studios/distributors
    • Purchase/rental of equipment to project movies onto screens

    Google has its own costs of course, but for essentially the same thing (showing a person a video), Google’s costs are vastly lower per person, because the video they are showing you is a digital file that lives on a server, and the same file is shown to everyone who wants to view it.

    Another example: A book printed on paper requires a lot of physical materials - ink, paper, cardboard, glue, etc. Selling a paper book requires machines to print the pages, trucks and trains to transport raw materials to and from factories, and to locations where they book can be sold.

    For a paper book to end up in your hands, lumberjacks need to be paid to cut down trees. Miners need to be paid to dig the materials required to make ink out of the ground. Printing press operators need to be paid. Truck drivers need to be paid. Warehouse workers need to be paid. Delivery drivers need to be paid.

    A Kindle ebook is a digital file that has been uploaded from the publisher directly to an Amazon server, and Amazon is certainly able to provide itself with server space at far lower than retail cost.

    A brand new printed paperback version of the lastest David Baldacci novel costs $19.99 on Amazon. The Kindle version of the same book costs $14.99. Considering that the Kindle version has almost zero of the costs associated with the print version, and is literally the exact same digital file that is sent to every single person who purchases the ebook, the ebook, compared to the paper book, generates almost 100% profit with almost zero additional costs or overhead.

    Given this, should an ebook cost almost as much as a real book? Should a YouTube Premium subscription cost as much as a movie ticket?

    Or are two of the most profitable companies on the planet simply charging “real” prices for digital products because they have a de-facto monopoly in their respective markets, and they can basically just do whatever they want?

    homura1650 ,

    A) Phyical books cost way more to buy than they do to print. You are mostly paying for the writing/editing.

    B) Youtube is nor charging anywhere near “real” prices for their subscription. Renting movies on youtube is generally in the $3-$5 range, far cheaper than seeing a movie in a theater. The subscription gives you unlimited access to almost their entire library of videos and music. The only physical analouge is a library, but those only exist due to government funding and a quirk of copyright law that does not apply as well in the digital realm.

    bloopinator ,

    Software subscriptions are what really bums me out. Back in the day you could just buy your software and have it forever. Now Microsoft Office is a subscription, Adobe Photoshop is a subscription, and so much more. Nothing pisses me off more than when I install a basic app on my phone and find out it’s actually a subscription app.

    Literally the only major software I can think of right now that isn’t subscription based or insanely expensive is Apple’s Final Cut Pro at $300.

    basskitten ,

    “buy your software and have it forever” was not really true other than in the very early days. everything that was in active development like office, photoshop, all the pro music software i used, was updated regularly and had an upgrade cost. my music app had a paid upgrade every year like clockwork for $150. it was essentially a subscription in all but name. yeah i could stop paying and stay with the last version forever but operating system and hardware advances would make it so those versions would stop running on newer machines eventually.

    XPost3000 ,

    This right here is one of the biggest reasons I turned to exclusively open source software, cuz man the amount of internal rage I feel any time I have to log into software is unreal, like I open the software I want it to just go

    Spyro ,

    Fortunately Microsoft Office isn’t fully subscription yet, but with how much they’re pushing Office365 it’s not too surprising that people don’t seem to realize this. You can still buy a permanent license from MS directly (with some digging around to get to the correct page) or from 3rd party websites. Only downside is it locks you into the current version of Office, but for the average user (me) that’s not too much of a big deal - I can’t recall them releasing any major must have features over the past 10 years.

    LonelyWendigo ,

    If you’re going to all that trouble, why not try some open source alternatives next upgrade before shelling out for another license? You might be surprised how narrow the gap between Microsoft and libre office options has become.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    Just wait a few more years - Windows 11 will probably be the last “desktop” license you’ll be able to buy. Microsoft really, REALLY wants the next OS to be Windows 365 Cloud OS, run on Azure (of course) and available only via subscription.

    SuperSpruce ,

    I don’t think this will quite happen. People will lose their minds if they need to pay a subscription to use the OS that comes with their newly purchased laptops.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    Unfortunately, I recall thinking the same thing about Photoshop before Adobe switched to the subscription model, but here we are.

    Adobe made the switch to subscription in 2013, and their revenue the following year grew to about $4 billion. It has continued to increase every year, often by double digit percentages - revenue for 2022 was $17.6 billion, an increase of almost $2 billion over 2022. And 93% of that revenue is from subscriptions.

    On a more positive note, maybe a Windows subscription model is what will finally lead to the Year of the Linux Desktop…

    fidelacchius ,

    Still a good value compared to Netflix tbh

    USSEthernet ,

    I’d argue that neither are good values.

    Aloomineum ,

    So Canadians can expect 20$ a month now?

    andyster ,

    I feel like this is the best money in streaming. I mostly watch you tube, and primarily on the tv and phone in the app. Frankly I would prefer to have much more of the internet paid for with you know money instead of ads and not use a blocker.

    You tube music also has a much better algorithmic playlist than Apple Music.

    zefiax ,

    I agree completely but you won’t get much support on this site as people don’t think about how things can cost money to run.

    andyster ,

    Which is weird considering how the fediverse is paid for at the moment appears to mostly be people paying out of their own pockets.

    zefiax ,

    That’s great for now. Scale that up to billions of videos and that won’t be sustainable. Video hosting, especially at the scale that youtube does it, is incredibly expensive.

    ovec ,
    @ovec@lemmy.world avatar

    I’d rather have a cheaper version premium just for Youtube without ads though. I’ve heard there is or was Premium Lite in some countries, but not where I’m from. I don’t need Music, I already pay Tidal for that.

    Or is YT Music with Premium so much better than the free one? When I cancelled my Spotify and were looking where to move to, I gave the free YTM a try. It would be two birds with one stone - YT without ads and a replacement music streaming service. But I just hated the whole experience. The UI, that my music “follows” get mixed with YouTube subscriptions, and that it always plays a video with every song.

    XTornado , (edited )

    Yeah basically the same. The video thingy only does it when the song is not available on YouTube Music and it’s playing a video.

    Which honestly is the only thing why I switched to YouTube Music, on Spotify if the song isn’t there that’s it, but YouTube music there is always a user or band uploaded video.

    When is available there is switch to choose if video or music and well on the phone you can always use the audio only option as you can do with YouTube. The rest the same as you said it.

    illi ,

    I don’t like YT music at all, but it is a nice double dip and I learned to live with it. I’d certainly switch to a plan without music if given the chance.

    Hipstershy ,

    That’s why I got Nebula. It’s not everyone I watch on YouTube, but it’s a lot of the best people, and they get a much, much larger amount of revenue from me specifically than they do from even YouTube Premium at a better price since you’re not also paying for YouTube Music on top of it. I was a devoted Google Play Music All Access listener, but true to form Google forgot about it and then replaced it with a worse service that costs more money. Spotify and Nebula as separate subs is as close as I’m going to get to the old school GPMAA/YouTube Red bundle and I don’t have to give a penny to Google for it

    0Xero0 ,
    @0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

    Firefox+UBO and Revanced users: Oh no… anyway…

    Bjaldr ,

    They’re blocking users who use UBO

    zeekzag ,
    @zeekzag@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s what they want you to think.

    zerozaku ,

    Block their Google account or block from viewing videos on YouTube?

    legalfinding ,

    They started blocking people who use ad blockers from watching videos if they don’t disable it on YouTube. I think they just started doing it in the last few weeks

    eek2121 ,

    I have had no issues. Even if they did end up successfully blocking (not likely) the videos are accessible via 3rd party sites/clients. I don’t see Google ever being able to successfully block users without adding a login requirement, and even then…

    markovianparallax ,

    I think what people who are commenting here aren’t getting is that they’re only doing it to a percent of accounts and not ALL accounts.

    newIdentity ,

    Blocking from viewing videos on YouTube

    CriticalMiss ,

    I don’t think Google ever blocked someone for abusing their services (unless it was GCP, which is not meant for personal use anyway), they believe in annoying a person to compliance instead of banning them.

    0Xero0 ,
    @0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn’t they already try to do that with manifest v3? They couldn’t do shit within their own chromium platform, I doubt they’d be able to do it now.

    And even if they could, UBO devs would just find a way around that.

    ArchmageAzor ,
    @ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll have you know I remain unblocked.

    eek2121 ,

    I am not blocked. I use UBO.

    Lord_Boffum ,

    Not all of them, currently. And if they were to do that, I’m sure some handy people will find a way around that.

    MedicPigBabySaver ,

    Nope

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    SmellyHamWallet ,

    I can’t put those add-on’s/apps onto my TV tho.

    yuunikki ,

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    stankmut ,

    That requires you to have android TV. I don’t have enough HDMI ports to go around to add another device just for watching Youtube.

    zefiax ,

    I almost never watch YouTube on my computer and it is almost always used on my TVs by my family. YouTube premium is probably the most useful streaming sub I have.

    coleseph ,

    That’s a wide brush you’re painting with.

    YouTube is the largest repository of information and entertainment in the world and it isn’t cheap to run. I also want to support the small creators that I watch so that it remains a viable income stream and they keep serving me content I consume.

    Fuck a price hike and fuck corpo google shit but this is still a steal for my personal watching habits

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    coleseph ,

    Literally same - but hosting the world’s largest “free” library of content costs someone money and if I want to keep having access to that, someone has to foot the bill to pay the content creators and Google’s cost for hosting - so I’m happy to subsidize your needs

    BraveSirZaphod ,
    @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

    If everyone was like you, YouTube wouldn't exist and all those creators wouldn't be able to do what they do.

    Things have costs. You thinking that you're entitled to people's labor for free makes you selfish and entitled, not smart.

    "People who actually pay for food when it's possible to just shoplift from grocery stores or dine and dash are idiots!"

    Obviously digital content isn't directly analogous to physical theft, but go ask your favorite creators if they'd be okay with all their revenue going to zero.

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