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phoneymouse ,

I feel every other hardware manufacturer with a store that sells software for it should be held to the same rules then… Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo…

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

That sounds pretty good actually

GiddyGap ,

God bless the EU for taking this fight, and many others, on behalf of all of us. Only major entity actually making an effort at the moment.

riodoro1 ,

“App store is not a monopoly”

“We’re going to defend this non-monopoly till our dying breath”

t0m5k1 ,
@t0m5k1@lemmy.world avatar

Now that Apple are aggressively displaying their monopolistic attitude to anything 3rd party and their wanton greed. I wonder if we’ll see regulators going harder on them.

I very much doubt it and fully expect the regulators to effectively say “Oh well we told them and gave them parameters!”

Edit: All their products are fucking over priced, When YOU purchase YOUR phone YOU should be able to do what YOU want with it. Disagree? FUCK YOU

Apple are clearly fleecing anyone who purchases their shit and will continue to fuck you at every opportunity.

moitoi ,

EU should double down with a regulation stipulating that people are free to install whatever OS they want on devices (smartphones included) and companies can’t gatekeep it.

sir_reginald , (edited )
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

the problem is firmware. the community has been porting postmarketos to android phones for years, there are a ton of phones where PmOS will boot but most things like camera, phone service or bluetooth won’t work because they are missing the firmware necessary.

moitoi ,

I didn’t get in the details. But, of course, a such regulation includes the availability of the firmware.

Sethayy ,

It’d be one hell of a battle considering companies would probably just pull a Microsoft and release the specifications as horrendously as possibly so no one can use them but their army of devs

isVeryLoud ,

It’s PmOS lol, POS stands for Piece of shit (or point of sale if capitalized as PoS)

sir_reginald ,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

good to know, I’m not a native speaker lol

MonkderZweite ,

I don’t even care anymore, they’re just trolling.

soulfirethewolf ,

Honestly, it doesn’t surprise nor please me that they’re looking exclusively for the corporations with the large amounts of money capable of running a full system, as opposed to the random Joe down the street running an f-droid repository.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t expect the EU to fine Apple enough that it might actually hurt them, but if we suppose the regulators wanted to, is there anything to stop them?

LwL ,

The highest GDPR fine was 1.2 billion. As far as I know nothing is stopping the EU from imposing higher and higher fines with continued breach of guidelines there, and I would expect these fair market regulations to work similarly.

Also for reference, that fine was against meta, who had 34 billion in revenue in 2023. So that fine cost them around 3% of their global revenue, which I’m sure is tolerable, but definitely approaching the point of hurting.

Muehe ,

The highest GDPR fine was 1.2 billion.

This isn’t the GDPR but the DMA. That said, fines there are even steeper, 10% of global revenue for the first offence, 20% for repeated offences.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This is what I hoped to see. Apple’s at actual risk of harm (or pissing off its shareholders) by messing with the EU.

Here in the States, our regulatory departments are entirely captured so there’s little to stop corporate anti-competitive shenanigans.

dependencyinjection ,

I am by no means an expert but this seems like a ludicrous response from Apple.

They can’t take this fight as, like you say, pissing off the shareholders will force them to change direction; if the EU do start talking about repercussions.

Rand0mA ,

Hasnt apple crashed and burned yet. Why are so many shiny hunting round edged magpies still sucking apples pecker

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lmmfao! They really are bucking for a fine

danhab99 ,
@danhab99@programming.dev avatar

The whole point of side loading apps is to not need the app store. One of the most important features of an app store is to distribute and update apps. Storage and bandwidth isn’t free, but it is quite cheap.

I’m sorry if it hurts apples feelings when we tell them they’re not allowed to charge for every aspect of their hardware. But if they didn’t want us to own our iPhones then they shouldn’t have sold them.

MajorHavoc ,

Uh, for that kind of money I could start my own Top Level Domain.

Of course, in this interest rate economy, I would only dare create one dedicated to sharing cat pictures or pornography. Anything else sounds too risky.

Nougat ,

You can honestly start your own TLD for a lot less with any DNS server. That doesn't mean anyone else will necessarily use it, but you can.

BarbecueCowboy ,

It is such a shame that you have to jump through extra hoops to get a .cat domain. They could make so much money.

AFC1886VCC ,

No awards to anyone who correctly guessed that Apple would drag their feet on this and put up as much resistance as they could possibly get away with.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Can someone help me understand: marketplace makers will need to prove they have access to $ 1 million. Then Apple will charge 50 cents per marketplace install? So that means no possibility of a 100% free store for open source apps. Is that correct?

abhibeckert ,

Non-Profits are exempt and nearly all large open source projects are non-profits. Small apps are also exempt - the 50c fee only applies if at least 2% of people in the EU use your app.

… however it seems like these exemptions might not apply to third party app stores for some reason.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

If that’s the case, then it really defeats the purpose of the whole 3rd party store idea for me. Most apps I would consider installing are open source projects.

misk ,
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

Delaying the inevitable. The fines that are coming are inevitable too but for Apple it’s just a cost of running their business.

dependencyinjection ,

The EU under the DMA can find 10% of global revenue the first time and then 20% thereafter.No corporations can maintain that.

misk ,
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

Apple revenue in 2023 was ~$380b and their cash reserves were ~$160b. They can take a couple of worst case scenario fines technically, especially given that they’d be challenged in courts for years. Just makes you realize how important that 30% cut is for them.

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