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doylio ,

I use Brave an don’t understand the hate it gets. Seems like a good alternative to Chrome if you don’t like ads. Can someone fill me in on where the hate comes from?

Edit: The people downvoting this comment instead of having a discussion are really winning me over to their side /s

noodlejetski ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)…creators)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)…)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich#Appointment_to…

doylio ,

I wasn’t aware of the tipping controversy. That’s not a good look, but I don’t use their crypto features (apart from IPFS every once in a while).

No tech company is squeaky clean in 2024, and Brave’s baggage seems better than Chrome’s.

0x2d ,

firefox is a lot easier to use than brave imo (since in brave you have to change half the settings to get it to work well)

doylio ,

This hasn’t been my experience

Samueru ,

Firefox doesn’t even come with ublock origin installed, brave has all the lists built in and will even ask you to block the cookie prompts as well without having to go the adblock settings.

uiiiq ,

There is also Vivaldi to consider.

lloram239 , (edited )

Brave ain’t exactly perfect, but at least they aren’t sucking at the tit of Google’s Search monopoly.

Samueru ,

Edit: The people downvoting this comment instead of having a discussion are really winning me over to their side /s

Welcome to the linux world of ideology driven recommendations.

I fell for this crap when I switched from using nvidia to amd because the constant bashing that nvidia gets by linux users only to discover that hardware acceleration is so broken on amd that using the cpu yields better results lol.

steerclear ,

I’ve no stake in either Kagi or Brave (and have my own issues with Brave and their CEO), but “partnership” seems like a stretch of definition here assuming this is in reference to the Brave Search API being added as another source for search results. Am I missing something here?

Kagi December 28, 2023 Release Notes

We have added Brave Search API as an additional source of results. With this, Brave API joins the growing list of Kagi’s search sources, ensuring that if you can not find something on Kagi, it does not exist on the web. This will come at no additional cost to you.

noodlejetski ,

Am I missing something here?

the part where Brave Search API is paid, and some people (including myself) don’t want their money to contribute to Brave’s business.

steerclear ,

To better understand (and definitely not dismissing your opinion), was Brave where you drew the line as a customer or was Google, Amazon, etc also of concern where Kagi pays for services?

noodlejetski ,

I drew the line at Brave.

steerclear ,

Fair enough. IMO, Brave isn’t a big enough player compared to many other companies in the enterprise space used by Kagi (both that we know of as consumers and wouldn’t know of without being an employee with knowledge of their internal SaaS agreements) that Kagi’s specific use case of Brave singularly would have been the deal breaker (for me).

Personally, getting that granular with money flow quickly becomes untenable as a consumer as every business will, to some degree, end up paying for some level of service from the companies we hope to lessen the power of. As a consumer example, I may really dislike how Google is influencing the standards of consumer data privacy in the world and choose not to pay for or use Google products/services directly, but I couldn’t imagine boycotting all companies that use Google Workspace internally for email, docs, sheets, etc.

Kagi seems to be a main player that’s opening the conversation of paying for internet search when the world is used to a standard of “free” search, so saying they can’t utilize the existing search data sources is going to make that experience dead in the water. We need ripples if we hope for change.

Edit: sudneo‘s comment actually summed up my thoughts pretty well.

In my personal opinion, such unrealistic ethical requirements end up being a reactionary choice as they will ultimately impede new - better - players to emerge and will leave the existing - worse - dominating.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I dislike Brave because they cultivated a not-so-deserved reputation. I see newcomers to privacy being recommended this and it’s just sad.

TWeaK ,

I don’t understand why they would want to drag Brave into this.

Because money.

flumph ,
@flumph@programming.dev avatar

Right. They flat out said the Brave API is cheaper.

noodlejetski ,

already cancelled my subscription and mentioned that when the form asked me why I was cancelling.

RobotToaster ,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

Whatever Brendan’s personal views, he was a better CEO than Mozilla’s current one… And I say that as a gay dude.

RAM , (edited )

I had no idea (the CEO of) Brave was so bad 😢

AnonStoleMyPants ,

That is kinda disappointing. I had a distaste for Brave after all the initial controversy regarding the ad blocking, which only got worse from the crypto crap they now have in the browser.

I’ll still keep paying for Kagi, but this is a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. Let’s hope at least the results get noticeably better.

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