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panchzila ,

Daily!

spiderman ,

I use headphone jack everyday since I use a iem. I hate using wireless buds.

ODuffer ,
@ODuffer@lemmy.world avatar

I use IEMs aa well but upgraded to a DAP, so strangely enough it’s a non issue now. Hyby R5 Gen 2, it sounds great.

spiderman ,

How’s DAP different apart from the fact that it’s only use is to listen to music?

ODuffer , (edited )
@ODuffer@lemmy.world avatar

My particular DAP has a class A amplifier and a balanced output, and it’s HiRes. It can drive reasonably big headphones, basically portable HiFi.

Cocodapuf ,

I use the headphone jack every single day, both with my headphones and with an audio-in cable for my car.

I’d be lost without it.

Also, I’ve tried Bluetooth headsets and they’ve all died on me for various reasons. I want relatively high quality headphones, and whether they’re wired or wireless, good sound tends to cost more. But I don’t want to spend more on something that will die quickly, so it’s wired headphones for me.

MaxHardwood ,

a cheap external DAC typically sounds better and has more power than the ones built into phones with a headphone jack. If you actually care about the audio quality from your phone then a DAC is more practical.

GreatBlueHeron ,

Since you mentioned the “power” of an external DAC I’ll add that my experience has been that android will still limit the output unless you use an app that works directly with the DAC. Last time I checked the only option was paid.

CheezyWeezle ,

Well the problem is that a DAC doesn’t have any power to it at all. What you are thinking of is an amplifier, which a lot of portable DAC units have in them, but not all of them do. For example, the DAC/AMP I have is the iFi iDSD Black Label, which has its own Amp that is controlled through an analog dial.

If your unit doesn’t have its own volume controls then it is likely just a DAC with no Amp, meaning you are limited to the power output of your source.

GreatBlueHeron ,

No - I know the difference between a DAC and an amp. The Android (or, maybe it’s just Google Pixel devices, I can’t recall) audio subsystem limits audio output. My phone max. output is about 800mV. I believe they assume all output is going to earphones and they’re trying to protect your hearing. This happens even if you’re using a USB DAC. But, there is an app called USB Audio Player PRO (the may be others) that can bypass the Android audio subsystem and send output directly to the DAC and thereby get the full DAC output - typically around 2V.

CheezyWeezle ,

You may know the difference between a DAC and Amp, but you clearly don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I’m saying that a DAC doesn’t have its own power output. It literally takes a digital signal, and converts it to analog. In order for it to add any power to the signal, it needs to include an amplifier. Otherwise, the signal will always be a little bit weaker due to the power loss from traveling through the DAC. Most DAC units have at least a weak amplifier for this reason, but there are some units that are just a DAC. And the Amp part isn’t going to be controlling the digital volume, i.e. changing the system volume on your device. It will operate on its own volume control, so regardless of how limited the output is from your phone, it will still be made louder as it amplifies the volume independently of the phone. A unit that is just a DAC doesn’t have any way to amplify the signal it receives, so it will never be able to make it louder.

You said explicitly that the android system will limit the output of any DAC, but that is wrong on multiple counts. The android system will not limit the output of a DAC because a DAC itself just 1:1 outputs an analog signal converted from a digital source so there is nothing to limit. The android system will also not limit the output from an Amplifier because it literally is not capable of that. That’s like saying your water faucet can limit how hot your water can get when you boil it on the stove. An Amp increases the power of the signal after it has already left the phone.

GreatBlueHeron ,

I suggest you learn about the difference between line level and speaker level. This article seems to do a decent job:

electronicshub.org/speaker-level-vs-line-level/

Your boiling water analogy does not fit - water boils at 100°C (depending on air pressure). It’s like the digital signal - boiled/not-boiled, on/off, 1/0, etc.

The output of a DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) is a line level analogue signal and this signal has an amplitude (voltage) that can be controlled. I’m not a software or audio engineer so I don’t understand how, but my reading and own testing supports this.

My own simple test: I have a Google Pixel 4a and an Apple USB-C DAC (dongle). If I use headphones connected to either the phone audio jack or the DAC and any “normal” music player I can listen at full volume - it’s loud, but far from uncomfortable. If I use USB Audio Player PRO and configure direct hardware access to the DAC I cannot listen at full volume - it’s too loud.

ook_the_librarian ,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

Oh cool! Another Thing. I love how many of my minor problems are solved just by buying another Thing. My home is now a perfect curation of all Things I own to fix my minor problems. Do you need a little more power from your headphone jack? Get this Thing! Keep it with you; it’s not much help after you lose it. What’s that? You don’t even listen at full volume using the jack? Don’t you understand. It sounds slightly better. You idiots won’t know headroom if came up and bit you on the face.

In short, I kinda like my built-in headphone jack.

bandwidthcrisis ,

I can just leave a spare pair of wired earphones in the car, desk, bedside, or wherever and they’re ready to use without having to constantly carry an earbuds case around. Now I have to buy an adapter for each one I might use. Keeping several spare BT earbuds charged would be impractical.

And the adaptor then blocks the charging port, which has sometimes been a problem.

wiccan2 ,

I have never once missed it. I’ve already switched to Bluetooth for my headphones and car. At home I cast to the hifi or Bluetooth speaker.

I got an adaptor to let me use cabled headphones when I need to and I’ve used it twice, once was to test it even worked.

The use case just doesn’t exist for me anymore.

lolcatnip ,

Same. Did me, the advantages of wired headphones don’t outweigh the obnoxiousness of fucking wires getting tangled up.

bamboo ,

This is it for me. Yeah Bluetooth is meh, some codec make it less meh, but really I just don’t want to have a wire, and am willing to put up with all the tradeoffs to make that happen.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Current model doesn’t have one, but I find myself missing it frequently. 3.5mm jack will be a must on my next phone.

BloodSlut ,

same, used mine almost every day, but unfortunately my new phone doesnt have one.

TheFeatureCreature ,
@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

I have some Fiio FH3 IEMs that I use with a Lightning to 3.5mm dongle fairly often. I also have some Airpods that are much more convenient to carry around and use but I do like my wired IEMs for when I want a more focused music listening and am not going to be moving around as much.

Senex ,
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Daily. Mostly Spotify and Youtube or when I don’t want to listen to my wife.

eek2121 ,

I have not owned a phone with a headphone jack in a long time.

crispy_kilt ,

https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/cd90cabd-f12d-45f1-936e-16d53b51bacb.png

Anamnesis ,

Twice a year when I’m on a plane and have to use my other headphones because they’re more noise cancelling. Other than that, never. I hate having a cord and getting it stuck on things and ripping my headphones out of my ears.

CriticalMiss ,

I stopped buying devices that are aux only because the headphone jack was taken away from me. At first I was kinda upset. Down the road I realized if I was given the choice to go back, I wouldn’t use wired ever again. I lost too many earbuds and headphones because the wire got caught on a door or something similar. I don’t lose them as often anymore either. Once I get home I put them in the charger and pick them up in the morning, it’s a habit at this point. Overall net positive.

BearOfaTime ,

I’ve used the self-retracting neck-band type for years. Those are brilliant.

Available when needed, forget about them otherwise. Big enough for a decent battery.

I’ve had great luck with the LG ones, and they’re as low as $50

Reaper948 ,

I have never once used the audio jack on a phone, Bluetooth is just much more convenient for me and has never caused me any issues.

Rayspekt ,

Multiple times a week. I make music and connect my phone to the PA to practice or listen to playbacks. It also goes into the e-drums as playback device. If you're using proper audio equipment, the headphone jack is useful for a lot of stuff. I even have a rumble-metronome that connects via headphone jack.

OrgunDonor ,
@OrgunDonor@lemmy.world avatar

I used to use it a lot. I still have some nice headphones that I like using, but they have become 2nd choice. I have bone conducting headphones that I use daily.

I prefer them, because I can still communicate, ride the bike, and never have to pause the music. But if I have to do anything loud, the wired buds are coming out to plug the ear holes.

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