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Genghis ,

I haven’t been using Firefox for Android because I heard they don’t have a WebView Implementation so the firefox browser has to be used beside the Chromium WebView meaning there’s an attack surface of two browser engines. I also heard that the Firefox sandboxing and site isolation isn’t very good between websites.

I’ve been using Vanadium WebView and browser because of that.

ericjmorey ,

I don’t know what this means

Genghis ,

Android System Webview allows apps to display browser windows in the app rather than taking you to your web browser app. On Android, chromium is used for webview. If you use Firefox as a default browser, the remote attack surface increases because they’re two different browsers with different security issues.

Site isolation enforces security boundaries around each site using the sandbox by placing each site into an isolated sandbox. Firefox doesn’t have that feature so they’re vulnerable to attacks like Spectre.

iloverocks ,

For every one who want to test it out you can use iceraven browser a Firefox fork that supports way more extensions than stock Firefox mobile github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser

noodle ,
@noodle@feddit.uk avatar

You can also use the Nightly app and load addon collections. It’s an absolute pain in the arse, and a lot of extensions don’t work, but it’s one way to get them.

iloverocks ,

I didn’t know that this feature is already dort of waring in the nightly build but it makes sence that they will test it out in nightly

noodle ,
@noodle@feddit.uk avatar

Honestly, it’s as if they don’t really want you using it. It’s a legitimate feature but hidden away and quite difficult to use. Here’s a guide on getting it set up. I’ve been using it since it came out and haven’t had too many issues, but a lot of addons just don’t work as intended.

MoodyRaincloud ,

Permission to shout hurrah in an annoyingly loud voice sir!

lemmur ,

Permission granted Private

LaggyKar ,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

It’s about damn time

suny ,

great, now waiting for them to finally fix the supremely janky tab behavior.

comradegreetingcard ,
@comradegreetingcard@lemmy.ml avatar

Can we have tabs when using a tablet please?

jana ,

Let’s tab tablets

SexyPolariton ,

You don’t have tabs using a tablet?

raptir ,

I think he means tabs along the top like on a PC browser.

comradegreetingcard ,
@comradegreetingcard@lemmy.ml avatar

Correct.

donio ,

And why not phones too if the user prefers it that way. Can we have our user preferences back please?

judas ,

No no, that would make way too much sense.

Written on a Fold 4 that’s currently not using Firefox ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

RobotToaster ,

About damn time, they should never have disabled it in the first place.

happyhippo ,

Let’s just appreciate the fact that basically no other browser has this.

With chrome/ium you can’t even block ads.

Breakpr0d ,

I use kiwi browser for the extension support.

9up999 ,

That’s a lie sir. Brave blocks ads out of the box. Vivaldi also has ad block filters. You can add custom filters to both browsers. Also edge has shitty ad blocker. Kiwi browser supports almost all chrome extensions. Basically almost all except chrome and still you can block most of the ads using correct dns server.

pedro ,

Sorry but even with all that said, you’ll never lure me to the evil side. I’m sticking with Firefox until it dies an atrocious death

sarsaparilyptus ,

We’re talking about actual web browsers here, not spyware that uses your device to run a botnet

9up999 ,

Firefox is as much botnet as others. Full of telemetry, diagnostics, pocket and other shit. That’s why there are secure forks. Firefox in stock form is as much botnet as others. Also firefox is selling out to the same google so don’t pretent it’s better because it’s not.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8d45ed5a-b69b-4264-99f5-44dab039d549.jpeg

sarsaparilyptus ,

Take your meds

can ,

Accepting a ton of money from Google to make it the default search engine isn’t selling out to them. Any concerned user will know how to change the default.

Forkk ,
@Forkk@forkk.me avatar

Firefox already supported ublock origin on mobile and a handful of other extensions. This is just them opening it up to more extensions.

SkepticElliptic ,

It’s enabled in the beta version, although limited to a small number of extensions.

bankimu ,

My goodness that’s awesome. I never understood why they locked it down in the first place about a year ago. What changed?

lostmypasswordanew ,

They wanted to have compatibility with Chrome extensions. But that was all just a n EEE move by Google. More perfidious since they created the open standard in the first place

GenEcon ,

I use FF on android for a couple months now. Solid browser and sync to desktol and add blocker are nice.

BUT: their page reloading is far too aggressive. You can’t buy anything online, since once 2FA is required and you need to open your bank app, confirm, and switch back, the page reloads and the 2FA didn’t get through. Tickets and such are the only reason I have still chrome installed.

towerful ,

Huh, good to know.
I’ve found edge to be quite aggressive on the reloads as well (at least, on desktop).
Makes it difficult for developing anything that has to deal with tabs going to “sleep” (like websocket reconnects, rehydrations, reauths).

I’m a hair away from ditching chrome

dsmk , (edited )

Hmm, I’m not experiencing that. Could Android (well, the flavour used by your phone) be killing background apps too aggressively or something like that?

Edit: could also be a RAM thing. I have 12GB.

middlemuddle ,

I’m not experiencing that issue either and I have half the amount of RAM that you do. I’ve noticed an unnecessary autorefresh only after closing out of the browser for a long time, never in the middle of switching between apps. But, that does sound like annoying behavior.

ArcticCircleSystem ,

Wow, I’m pretty sure my laptop has less RAM than that. ~Cherri

sarsaparilyptus ,

You can get 32GB of laptop RAM for like $60 to $80 if you find sales, and even one 16GB stick would be an upgrade for you. Modern bloat is so bad that having 8 gigs of RAM is the equivalent of having 4 a few years ago.

ArcticCircleSystem ,

My laptop only supports expanding the RAM up to 12 GB IIRC. ~Red

TheQuickHedgehog ,

had that issue since updating my phone to android 13, mozilla really needs to fix it

kratoz29 ,

I also feel RAM too aggressive since A13, but it could be my custom ROM as well.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

This annoyed me too. I use Firefox Nightly with accessibility.blockautorefresh set in about:config, and it helps.

support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1204335

Scary_le_Poo ,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

This is Android aggressively killing apps, not Firefox.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

Possibly, but previously I’ve been able to load a site, open a media-rich page in a new tab, then close that tab to go back to the original page.

On a newer build of FF for Android, that first page is re-loaded from the internet.

1ird ,
@1ird@notyour.rodeo avatar

I feel this pain. But you try to stop a video that started playing in Firefox. I dare you.

mexicancartel ,

Its in notification with background play lol

1ird ,
@1ird@notyour.rodeo avatar

Yes but a video should stop if you swipe away the apps card from multitasking view. This action is tantamount to closing the app.

mexicancartel ,

Mine stop maybe because i have background battery restriction/autostart prevention. Not sure tho

1ird ,
@1ird@notyour.rodeo avatar

Strange. I’ll look into those settings. Thanks

mexicancartel ,

I checked this with youtube now and it pauses the video as soon as its in the background and I can play from notifications. Try updating too btw

covert_czar ,
@covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The video pauses atm of swiping away from the recent deck something magical is happening with your phone i use lineageos btw

lostmypasswordanew ,

Yeah, I open my 2FA app in split screen when I do this

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

no need for beta anymore or are there still some restrictions in place?

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

why it was restricted in the first place?

ItsTom87 ,

Maybe they couldn't guarantee that the mobile version could run well with all of them? That's what I've always assumed.

GunnarRunnar ,

Which I think is kinda weird decision since they could've just hidden a setting that unlocks all addons in the options. But maybe they were so incompatible at the time that it wasn't worth the headache.

TheLeechiestLeech ,

There is a hidden way to activate more extensions and most - if not the vast majority - extensions work fine.

frogfruit ,

If you use Beta or Nightly, you can turn on dev tools and use a custom addon list from a collection in your user account. blog.mozilla.org/…/expanded-extension-support-in-…

Perfide ,

There is a hidden setting for essentially that. It might be exclusive to Nightly though, idk since all I need is UBO

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

Because there were enough incompatibilities to make it a hassle. But when they were sorting out the Web Manifest v3, they designed it with desktop and mobile in mind, so new extensions won’t have problems.

bankimu , (edited )

It makes less sense since extensions actually ran on Android, e.g. via Nightly and creating your own list of exceptions. Also if you downgrade and install in an old Fennec version, extension will continue to function if you then update to the latest.

I think the move was an attempt to create a walled garden. But for whatever reason, they have now decided against it. Thank goodness.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

It would be nice to have stuff here to break this down

9up999 ,

Installed firefox yesterday. Nothing really changed or improved. Uninstalled firefox.

randint ,

What is the main reason you (presumably) use Chrome over Firefox? People here might be able to help you solve the problem.

spiderman ,

Not a Firefox hater (I use Fennec), but Chrome is faster than Firefox.

ArtificialLink ,

The difference is these days are negligible. And Firefox is even beaten Chrome in a few tests

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I switched from Chrome to Firefox in 2019, and I never had a detectable difference in speed

spiderman ,

but people don’t care about tests, they care only about what’s fast and comfortable for their device. maybe firefox might be a better option for users in the latter once the browser plug-ins come to play.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

On my 3 year old budget model android phone, things run fast 99% of the time. I have considered myself a power user for years. Having said all of that, I’ve recently switched from chrome to Firefox on android and it definitely feels not noticeably slower. I don’t doubt you, it’s just that phone hardware has gotten so good that decent software rarely (feels like at least) pushes it to the limit for more than fractions of a second at a time.

spiderman ,

it’s just that phone hardware has gotten so good that decent software rarely (feels like at least) pushes it to the limit for more than fractions of a second at a time.

I second this, processing time and network speeds have been getting better over the years. The difference in speed in Chrome and Firefox is a “little” noticeable but that’s why I don’t care and use Fennec as my go to browser everyday. I mean, it’s better than the days where it will take more than 20 seconds to load a page.

Technology has gotten better, all kinds of people have access to the internet these days and use it to learn something, or watch something they like. But it’s kinda sad that big tech companies have started to be greedy and try to either milk them for money or become a monopoly themselves.

monotrox ,

Yeah website loading difference is negligable but chrome still feels much smoother on android

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Feels exactly the same to me (if not slightly faster due to adblocking). You might just be mistaking familiarity with Chrome for it being tangibly better.

monotrox ,

Ive been exclusively using firefox mobile for more than a year but just installed bromite because I had some issues with firefox. Its mostly that scrolling feels smoother, which might just be animation trickery

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hm yeah weird. I tried chrome just to test and the scrolling is definitely slightly different but I don’t think it’s smoother. Just kinda tweaked differently I guess. Haven’t tried bromite tho.

9up999 ,

In general what chromium browsers have out of the box in firefox you have to install addons to have that functionality and still it’s worse experience. For example pwa support. Worst thing is that websites and now software only supports chromium.

monotrox ,

Firefox mobile has pwa support, which works well for me and I never had a website that doesnt work on firefox (except for google earth maybe).

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

pwa support is extremely limited on android firefox, but I don’t really care. web apps are slow and I’d much rather use native apps…

z500 ,
@z500@startrek.website avatar

It works, but for whatever reason it’ll die and go blank on me whenever I switch to another app, then I have to kill it and reopen it.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Literally was just telling my partner how much better browsing is since switching to Firefox on android. The ability to install extensions period is a huge upgrade, but also there are several available that are fantastic and not features available on chrome. Not sure what you mean about needing extensions to match chrome features. In fact, none of the extensions I’ve installed are features present in chrome. Plus I can block ads and trackers, activate dark mode everywhere, and use YouTube for audio with my screen off. I am kicking myself for being lazy. On top of giving Google personal data for no reason, I’ve had a worse browsing experience for years.

pazzeda ,

For YouTube, check out ReVanced on GitHub

jadedctrl ,

Better yet, check out NewPipe on F-Droid. :^)

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Hell yeah! It even performs better for me than either ReVanced or the official YouTube app

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I prefer LibreTube =)

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Or LibreTube!

idle ,
@idle@158436977.xyz avatar

I still use it but I have to say the fact that the page auto-refreshes when you leave the app and come back drives me bonkers.

NeonWoofGenesis ,
@NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi avatar

Maybe your phone runs out of ram?

Or is it the 4 hour idle setting?:

https://l.henlo.fi/pictrs/image/36199f9a-da20-4d49-a122-c9e37e083c16.png

EvilColeslaw ,
@EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org avatar

If it’s not that feature, it’s likely either memory tuning or battery optimization stuff. Some phone manufacturers set those values to levels that are more aggressive than they really need to be, leading to processes being terminated in the background when they ideally shouldn’t.

ExLisper ,

It’s funny how some people are willing to use weird android mods that can’t run half of the apps to protect their privacy while others can’t even wait 0.01s longer for a page to load.

nave , (edited )

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    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Good point. Privacy usually means sacrificing some level of convenience.

    Meanwhile, I find most of these convenience tools such as the “Modes and Routines” app and Google Maps timeline to be creepy and dystopian as fuck.

    ExLisper ,

    Personnaly I do realize that 99.99% of people run stock android/iOS but sometimes forget and am surprised that the same people don’t have any ad blocker.

    FaeDrifter ,

    It’s 3 clicks to install AdBlock on Firefox mobile and that alone instantly makes it superior to Chrome.

    1984 ,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    Ublock origin is better I believe.

    FaeDrifter ,

    Ublock origin is actually #1 on top of the list and the one I have installed, I was using “adblock” as a generic term.

    As far as I can tell, chrome mobile does not support ublock origin like firefox mobile does.

    gabriele97 ,
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    Nice. What I need now is the ability to group tabs together

    berg ,

    Have you tried sidebery? When I found tree layout for tabs to be a thing I haven’t looked back.

    gabriele97 ,
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    Thank you! I am going to install it right now on my desktop PC. I was referring to the android version btw 😂

    berg ,

    Ahh, of course, that should’ve been obvious 😅

    nx2 ,

    Yesssss

    twistedtxb , (edited )
    @twistedtxb@lemmy.ca avatar

    For those who don’t know yet: Firefox Nightly for Android let you install any extension you desire.

    You just need to create a custom collection on the web site and link your ID in nightly.

    GunnarRunnar ,

    Same for Firefox forks, Mull and Fennec.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Yep. I always mention Fennec who may hesitate to use Beta since it’s a stable release with full add-on support.

    I’ve never tried Mull.

    GunnarRunnar ,

    Not an expert but as I've understood it it's pretty similar to Fennec, less tracking and more private than your regular Firefox. I don't know anything about either ones development team size or activity either so I can't recommend one over the other. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can chime in.

    Zenaida_macroura ,
    @Zenaida_macroura@lemmy.ml avatar

    Mull’s made by the people at DivestOS

    They have a browser comparison of some popular android browsers including Fennec and Mull divestos.org/pages/browsers

    MaggiWuerze ,

    You can also just use the collections of other users

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Like mine, for those who don’t want to curate: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/…/p1xiekat-Android/

    MaggiWuerze ,

    Maybe add PrivacyBadger, Consent-O-Matic, and DarkReader

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Noted and added!

    MaggiWuerze ,

    Nice, I also added LocalCDN to my own list.

    TheLeechiestLeech ,

    Firefox Beta as well.

    frogfruit ,

    blog.mozilla.org/…/expanded-extension-support-in-…

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