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PlasmaDistortion ,

As a kid I remember hating TNG when it first came out because it was so different from TOS. I still struggle to watch Discovery (too dark) and JJ Abram’s trek (lens flares) but I am sure I will eventually give them another rewatch.

MaggiWuerze ,

I mean, there’s a lot not to like in Discovery.

Stamets OP ,
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And there’s plenty to like as well. But once again, thanks for looking at this posts description about positivity and flagrantly ignore it to give throwaway negative comments. You did the same thing over on another post earlier of someone saying they like Discovery. I’m so tired of this hatefilled focus on Discovery. So many people here are able to share their opinions about not liking Discovery respectfully and without randomly throwing it in everyones faces. Why do people like you have to always double down and drill in that hatred everytime it’s even mentioned? You’re just… exhausting.

jackoneill ,

My main issue with Discovery was that it never felt like Star Trek. I always called it BBC’s Trek through the Stars because to me it felt like a BBC drama set in a vaguely Trek like universe. It was a good show, just didn’t FEEL like Trek. Strange New Worlds though? Feels just like the Trek I miss

Kucifus ,

BBC is a good comparison, similar to Dr Who and Sherlock vibe. People who enjoy those I imagine would like the Kurtzman trek shows.

MaggiWuerze ,

It was very drama heavy. I feel like they focused a bit too much on the meta plot.

Tolookah ,

I like Discovery. I’m a little behind on it I think (maybe?) But it’s entertaining. Later seasons, you can tell that the writers got some inspiration from DS9 and Voyager, because that’s how it feels.

Lower Decks is grand, and doesn’t feel like it’s Trek, but it is, and it’s definitely new.

MaggiWuerze ,

My main issue was that they constantly broke protocol in a way no captain would have tolerated. They didn’t seem like professionals at all.

In other shows people were demoted from a fraction of what happened on the discovery. And Michael actually gets rewarded for this behavior.

I don’t know if that gets better after they join the new federation, I never made it this far

MaggiWuerze ,

Sorry, I actually didn’t even see the description. But I don’t think I overstate my dislike of the show, it’s just a part of the topic that there will be people not liking it.

You are obviously a huge fan of the show, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean I have to be.

aaaa ,

Michelle Yeoh made up for all my complaints. I could never get enough of her.

MajorHavoc ,

Yeah.

During the Klingon scenes, I just want someone to rush down the corridor with silly string and water balloons filled with neon shades of paint.

I get it, their Klingon society is feudal, and on the brink of even more war. But they could still try letting some natural light in. If nothing else, their plants will live longer.

Oh gosh, I just got the joke in The Orville about the Klingon-equivalent race being extremely light sensitive. I don’t know how I missed that before.

MaggiWuerze ,

I really liked how they displayed the Klingons, went a bit away from the old humans with a bad rash on the forehead trope. Also that they spoke Klingons when no non-Klingons is around.

But yeah, the lighting was atrocious, but that was a flaw on the whole show. It all waas so unnecessary dark.

MajorHavoc ,

Yeah!

The actual additions to Klingon lore, and cultrue, I loved.

I just wished I could have seen more of it with better lighting.

(As opposed to the the Kelvin universe, which I wish I could have sen more of with less lens flare. Haha. I’m realizing I might be a lighting snob.)

rambaroo ,

Well that also undid the lore that says all the humanoid races have a common ancestor which I thought was one of the few good pieces of ST lore.

MaggiWuerze ,

Does it? It is just more pronounced, which I like. I thought the common ancestors thing isn’t really canon

USSBurritoTruck ,
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That bit of lore is completely silly. Humans share a common ancestor with bananas if we go back far enough, and “The Chase” proposes to go back even further than that. Still a good episode, though.

However, nothing in Disco’s Klingon’s undoes that. We saw Klingon precursors when Worf was devolved into one in “Genesis” – another episode that has a Hollywood writer’s understanding of evolution – and he had an exoskeleton, mandibles, and spit acid.

FlyingSquid ,
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Yeah, but those J.J. Abrams movies were still terrible. Star Trek made by someone who doesn’t like Star Trek. No.

Stamets OP ,
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Star Trek directed by someone who doesn’t like Star Trek. There were a lot of people on those movies who really loved Star Trek and it showed through. They’re not the best, that’s for sure, but I still like them for what they are. However I will say that Beyond is definitely my favorite. Might have something to do with JJ not directing it at all and it feeling like an interesting mix of a TOS episode and Kelvin timeline action/adventure.

Also Idris Elba.

Doug ,

I think Beyond was my least favorite of the newer ones personally, but I’d still put it above the last time I watched Motion Picture so it seems silly to me to trash those while elevating all the old ones.

Star Trek is a universe of things between campy and serious. It’s possible enjoy them all, or ignore the ones to don’t.

rambaroo ,

No one really does that though. The Motion Picture being a bad a movie is widely acknowledged by pretty much everyone. The classics are II-VI, except for V which also sucks.

Doug ,

I’ve seen some positive talk about TMP recently for one.

Aside from that it’s easy to find people falling in to the “the new stuff sucks. The old stuff is way better” about pretty much anything Trek or not.

Even your list doesn’t fit with the old adage of the evens being good and the odds being crap.

rambaroo ,

III is ok but I wouldn’t say it’s bad. At least not as bad as TMP and V. There’s always people being contrarians about movies though. The general consensus is that TMP is super boring.

Of course everyone has their own taste. Maybe some people like how slow TMP is. It’s a very different movie from the Abrams series so I wouldn’t automatically invalidate someone who liked it but not the new ones. I can’t stand Abrams’ hectic/ADHD filming style so I’ve never liked his take on ST. But that doesn’t mean the old ones are all good, the TNG movies are basically all trash except for first contact.

VaultBoyNewVegas ,

Did the same to star wars. He must hate sci fi because he’s ruined every sci fi show/movie he’s been involved in.

Shialac ,

tbh I think JJ is just not a good director and way too overhyped

chaogomu ,

He did a wonderful job on Lost... Well, the early set-up for Lost.

See, JJ is phenomenal at building up mystery boxes. He's just shit at putting anything inside those boxes.

He can lay out questions and hints at world building like no other. He just never goes back and does any of that world building.

USSBurritoTruck ,
@USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website avatar

Hollywood nepo babies are a real problem.

lugal ,

TOS never reached the high level of The Cage

aeronmelon ,

Gene Roddenberry made The Cage and it’s all just been going downhill since. :P

lugal ,

Captain and first officer are both male? That has nothing to do with Gene’s vision of a brighter future. But nutrek has this patriarchal agenda all over. I wish they would keep their politics out of my star trek.

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