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gravitas_deficiency ,

You’re not supposed to like Q.

DrChaotica ,

Hot take: you don’t fully appreciate Q until you’ve watched all the episodes he’s in. That includes the ones in Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

NPC ,

Wait, this is news to me. Q is in voyager?! /s

xusontha ,

Yeah he tries to get funky with Janeway

Ensign_Crab ,

Pepe le Q.

ares35 ,
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don't forget the old compaq videos.

CADmonkey ,

Don’t forget his cameo in Breaking Bad

cheery_coffee ,

Are the West Wing episodes required as well?

GregorGizeh ,

And the sc2 campaign for his role as Alarak, Highlord of the Taldarim!

RiikkaTheIcePrincess ,
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For some reason I feel compelled to up-boop the reference to MLP 🤔😅

caseyweederman ,

And StarCraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm

Squizzy ,

I wish we could create playlists like this for shows. I don’t have the interest to watch deep space 9 but I love Q. Same goes for Clone Wars, don’t have the time but a few threads are important.

Rivalarrival ,

You’re supposed to kinda hate Q. He plays a recurring role here and there throughout the series, but not a central one.

The first season of TNG is a bit rough; it definitely improves.

Doug ,

Season two also isn’t the greatest. But its got some solid stories that do affect things later.

Mostly I just can’t stand Pulaski

Hyperreality ,

I don't like her either, but I would say that's not because Muldaur is a bad actress, or because she was a bad character.

For example, her being a dick to Data really helped his character growth. She was abrasive but it really helped TNG grow its beard.

m_r_butts ,

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    Nacktmull , (edited )
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    I don´t really care if they tried to recreate a Spock/McCoy rivalry. Pulaski is a great character by herself. Don´t let your sympathy for Data cloud your judgement. Pulaski is introduced as a character full of prejudice against synthetic humanoids, who overcomes her bias while actually getting to know Data. She learns to see her mistake and ends up fully respecting Data as an equal, sentient being. It is one of the earliest examples of actual character development on the show and much more interesting to watch than two dimensional, over perfect characters.

    Doug ,

    100%

    She’s a great actress doing a fantastic job of playing a very unlikable character. Except that she’s not unlikable in the way a good unlikable character is. She’s not the way OP is feeling about Q.

    But it’s not just the way she interacts with Data, which does result in character growth for both of them. I’m sure they were going for the adversarial thing but it didn’t work, with Data or anyone else.

    Fuck_u_spez_ ,

    He’s like Murdoc from MacGyver. You hate the character but you can sense that he’s going to be defeated eventually and it’ll be a fun ride getting there.

    Haus ,
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    If it helps - Q introduces a "bad guy" to the series that is so famous that people who haven't seen the series have heard of them.

    Crackhappy ,
    @Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

    Wesley??!?

    joyjoy ,

    Close enough. The universe’s most dangerous animal is Man.

    CADmonkey ,

    Ohh, you’re correct, I’d forgotten that Q had introduced that… particular bad guy.

    Doug ,

    I see you resisted the urge to say who

    JWBananas ,
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    I understood that reference

    CADmonkey ,

    I didn’t want to give spoilers on a TV show that came out 36 years ago.

    _stranger_ ,

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    blargerer ,

    He shows up here and there, I don't know maybe 1.5 times a season or something. I'd need to check exact counts.

    MudMan ,
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    Honestly, if you started from scratch nothing you see in season one applies.

    Just... assume everything reboots after but they keep the lore. It'll be fine.

    m_r_butts ,

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    ivanafterall OP ,
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    Thanks, you talked me back into sticking with it from the beginning. I'd wonder what I missed if I skipped a whole season or two, I think.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Before it’s too late: Skip episode 4. “Code of Honor,” alternate title: “The Gang Gets Racist”

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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    In season 1 Riker doesn't have a beard, which is your first clue it's a holodeck simulation.

    ivanafterall OP ,
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    I saw some people say to start with Season 3, but it felt weird. Should I just skip Season 1?

    MudMan ,
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    I'd say no, but muscle through it even if it's not clicking.

    Frankly, there are great episodes in the first two seasons, it just hadn't fully hit a groove where you can just watch it and at least expect it to be ok to good (or hilarious) every time. The hatred for the first seasons is overhyped.

    But yeah, a lot of the creaky joints, be it Picard being weirdly hostile and disengaged from the action, Q being weird and grating and Wesley being mishandled do go away eventually.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
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    When I first started TNG I just looked up a list of the best episodes from season 1 and 2 and watched those then went straight to season 3. After I finished the show and loved it, I went back and rewatched seasons 1 and 2 fully. So that’s a good option if you just wanna get to the good stuff quicker, and each episode is (for the most part) it’s own self contained episode so you don’t miss much by skipping parts of seasons 1 and 2 IMO as long as you watch the good episodes.

    I’m on break at work so I don’t have time to find the list I used but sure you can find something easily with a Google search or someone else here might recommend the best episodes of those seasons.

    Doug ,

    I’d agree with the other comment as well. The first two seasons are bumpy but they build a lot.

    Skipping them, even where they’re rough, does you a disservice in the long run. It’s well worth the trouble.

    Infynis ,
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    Just skip the Riker Clip Show at the end of season 2, and you’ll be fine. Apparently that episode was created because writers were on strike at the time

    FlexibleToast ,

    The first couple seasons were still under Gene Roddenberry’s control. He maintained that there should not be any conflict between the crew members. That made the first couple seasons a little strange.

    ivanafterall OP ,
    @ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

    Interesting that it's considered to have gotten better when he wasn't controlling it? I didn't realize that.

    FlexibleToast ,

    He had his eccentricities. It’s hard to make a compelling show about human stories when the main cast aren’t allowed to have interpersonal conflicts. But his vision of the utopian future would be that society wouldn’t have in-fighting anymore.

    atlasraven31 ,

    You’re supposed to hate Q. The Enterprise crew hates Q. He is an annoying trickster god.

    heeplr ,

    His transformation during the series is interesting. He’s developing as he learns about humanity.

    Also don’t miss the episodes in Voyager featuring him ;-)

    aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

    If you don’t like him, you can just skip his episodes & not miss much.

    Davel23 ,

    I mean, "Q Who" is kind of important to the series, if not the franchise as a whole.

    Crackhappy ,
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    Well… and the finale.

    MustardCabbage ,

    Does Tapestry count? Because that’s a great episode that shouldn’t be skipped.

    kaitco ,

    I disagree. Borg much?

    That said, I was never able to decide whether I hated Q or Wesley more.

    ClarkDoom ,

    It’s always Wesley in questions like this.

    dingus ,
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    How big of an ongoing factor is “Q?” Because I kind of hate him.

    Blaspheme! Will no one rid me of this turbulent critique?

    Rozauhtuno ,
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    He’ll grow on you eventually. And if he doesn’t, watch Voyager and DS9 to see him suffer 😈

    CodexArcanum ,

    Sisko’s whole attitude to Q is just so damn funny. “I’M NOT PICARD!”

    FrickAndMortar ,

    I hated him in the first couple of episodes too; but when TNG started, I felt like everything was overly dramatic. Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies, Worf growling and gnashing his teeth, Riker swaggering around pretending to be Kirk from the old days… things settle down pretty quickly though, and the characters become less two-dimensional.

    As for Q specifically, he’s not around a whole lot, but he makes an appearance or two per season maybe. He ends up more curious about humanity than being adversarial against humanity, but he still sometimes just throws a monkey-wrench into everything for his own amusement or to test a theory, once in a while.

    Stick with it, it’s a really good show.

    joyjoy ,

    When you see Riker grow his beard, you’ll know the series has matured.

    m_r_butts ,

    For me it's when Geordi becomes chief engineer, like God intended.

    BradleyUffner ,

    Oh wow, I had blocked it out of my mind that he ever wasn’t.

    FrickAndMortar ,

    Haha it’s true - Q even makes a wisecrack about Riker’s beard, at one point!

    Hupf ,

    Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies

    youtu.be/hA7lv1SDzno?si=sTN69AWpiAOsV-kL

    FrickAndMortar ,

    Hahaha put him in his captain’s uniform and it’s virtually indistinguishable!

    GreenMario ,

    Idk John DeLancie has that “Tim Curry” energy where he chews the scenery well and is fun to watch but wasn’t much a fan of Season 1 Q.

    It gets better.

    ivanafterall OP ,
    @ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

    I agree. It got unexpectedly trippy and weird at times, which was a pleasant surprise. He just came across really cornbally. I could imagine him maybe growing on me.

    KevonLooney ,

    Penalty!

    Travelator ,

    His best line: “Eat any good books lately?”

    jet ,

    Your supposed to hate Q thats part of the fun. Picard hates him

    Gork ,

    I’m not sure Picard actively hates him. However, I do think his reaction is basically the Picard facepalm jpg whenever he interacts with Q.

    dingus ,
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    Picard doesn’t hate him, but Picard understands that Q isn’t operating in good faith and is always aimed at undermining humanity.

    The problem I would think, as Picard sees it, is there is no reasonable way to do battle with Q or stop him, and so instead of a radical path of eliminating Q’s ability to interfere entirely, we’re given what appears to be a very tepid, liberal response where we’re supposed to work with terrible people who aren’t operating in good faith simply because they have power and aren’t afraid to use it.

    Picard is from a strictly socialist society, and that means at some point, they understood how to deal with people like this, who are operating in bad faith. The new wrinkle is that Q is so powerful, you have to hope that you can just talk him down, because there is no way to remove him from the equation or remove his powers.

    Sunforged ,

    I haven’t watched Picard, but I assume the finale is a Qwedding.

    Venicon ,
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    I think to Picard, Q is just this buffoon with god powers and chooses to use them purely for wind ups. He knows he can’t do jack to stop him but scolds him at every opportunity.

    I would have loved one character to just disappear on a massive bender with Q for a while and come back totally fried but just slot back into their spot on the ship

    dingus ,
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    Like that Skyrim quest where you party with a Daedric prince and wake up all the way across the map.

    Venicon ,
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    A Night To Remember! One of my all time favourites.

    joyjoy ,

    but scolds him at every opportunity.

    Which is exactly why Q keeps doing it.

    CodexArcanum ,

    I’m pretty sure the Picard face palm is a shot from S3 episode “Deja Q”. He literally is facepalming at Q.

    HobbitFoot ,

    Yeah, whereas Sisko punched Q.

    I’m with Sisko on that.

    dingus ,
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    Sisko understands that you can’t negotiate with the powerful, he knows you need Direct Action.

    JWBananas ,
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    So were the Prophets, apparently. I bet Q felt their energy behind that punch and noped out of there.

    Thisfox ,

    I was so disappointed in Sisko. So much opportunity, and he punches it in the face.

    Nacktmull ,
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    Picard officially stopped hating Q after s6e15 “Tapestry”

    Infynis ,
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    He’s a pretty major character, but that only means one or two episodes per season. He’s just got a thing for Picard

    ummthatguy ,
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    Yeah, a thing. Minor spoiler.

    https://media.tenor.com/eDX9j77sFLoAAAAd/picard-jean-luc-picard.gif

    dingus ,
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    I don’t know why it’s hilarious to me that Picard pulls up his covers like he’s ashamed at Q seeing him in the nude, as though he isn’t a multidimensional demigod who probably can see through Picard’s clothes anyway if he so wished.

    It’s just such a cute and pointless attempt at privacy with a nearly all powerful being. Like dude he just magicked himself into your bed, you think he didn’t already get a good look?

    Patrick Stewart : So in my film, I play a man who controls the world with his mind.

    Andy Millman : Right. Oh, that’s interesting.

    Patrick Stewart : Yeah. For instance, I’m walking along, and I see this beautiful girl, and I think I’d like to see her naked, and so all her clothes fall off.

    Andy Millman : All her - clothes fall off?

    Patrick Stewart : Yes, and she’s scrabbling around to get them back on again, but even before she can get her knickers on, I’ve seen everything. Yeah. I’ve seen it all.

    DrChaotica ,

    Be honest: you just wanted an excuse to post that reference, didn’t you?

    dingus ,
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    I actually remembered it after I made the comment, and edited it in. Realized how Patrick Stewart at least already understands.

    But it’s also true that I’ll drop this reference any time I get a chance because it never fails to crack me up.

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