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Rivalarrival ,

You’re supposed to kinda hate Q. He plays a recurring role here and there throughout the series, but not a central one.

The first season of TNG is a bit rough; it definitely improves.

Doug ,

Season two also isn’t the greatest. But its got some solid stories that do affect things later.

Mostly I just can’t stand Pulaski

Hyperreality ,

I don't like her either, but I would say that's not because Muldaur is a bad actress, or because she was a bad character.

For example, her being a dick to Data really helped his character growth. She was abrasive but it really helped TNG grow its beard.

m_r_butts ,

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  • Nacktmull , (edited )
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    I don´t really care if they tried to recreate a Spock/McCoy rivalry. Pulaski is a great character by herself. Don´t let your sympathy for Data cloud your judgement. Pulaski is introduced as a character full of prejudice against synthetic humanoids, who overcomes her bias while actually getting to know Data. She learns to see her mistake and ends up fully respecting Data as an equal, sentient being. It is one of the earliest examples of actual character development on the show and much more interesting to watch than two dimensional, over perfect characters.

    Doug ,

    100%

    She’s a great actress doing a fantastic job of playing a very unlikable character. Except that she’s not unlikable in the way a good unlikable character is. She’s not the way OP is feeling about Q.

    But it’s not just the way she interacts with Data, which does result in character growth for both of them. I’m sure they were going for the adversarial thing but it didn’t work, with Data or anyone else.

    Fuck_u_spez_ ,

    He’s like Murdoc from MacGyver. You hate the character but you can sense that he’s going to be defeated eventually and it’ll be a fun ride getting there.

    GreenMario ,

    Idk John DeLancie has that “Tim Curry” energy where he chews the scenery well and is fun to watch but wasn’t much a fan of Season 1 Q.

    It gets better.

    ivanafterall OP ,
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    I agree. It got unexpectedly trippy and weird at times, which was a pleasant surprise. He just came across really cornbally. I could imagine him maybe growing on me.

    KevonLooney ,

    Penalty!

    Travelator ,

    His best line: “Eat any good books lately?”

    RMiddleton ,
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    Since others have fully covered the Q portion of your comment I came to say that that cool saucer separation that’s so bad ass happens like 3 times max!

    I get that maybe it’s “expensive” or awkward to write or something from the production standpoint that makes it underused, but seriously, is it “expensive” in-universe?! Because they spread that shit out more sparingly than me buying pine nuts!

    Other show reference alert: it’s a lot like on Deep Space 9 how rarely Odo changes. If I had that fucking power I wouldn’t hold back! Let’s see, can I squeeze any more complaints in? I never understood the premise on Bewitched that Darren & Sam wouldn’t want to use her powers to make things better constantly! Ok I’m done. For now.

    ivanafterall OP ,
    @ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

    I remember complaining about things like that when my parents watched Bewitched. I always preferred I Dream of Jeannie for the plot.

    WarmSoda ,

    FOR NOW

    QWho ,
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    Au Contraire Mon Capitan! You are gonna love me!

    FrickAndMortar ,

    I hated him in the first couple of episodes too; but when TNG started, I felt like everything was overly dramatic. Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies, Worf growling and gnashing his teeth, Riker swaggering around pretending to be Kirk from the old days… things settle down pretty quickly though, and the characters become less two-dimensional.

    As for Q specifically, he’s not around a whole lot, but he makes an appearance or two per season maybe. He ends up more curious about humanity than being adversarial against humanity, but he still sometimes just throws a monkey-wrench into everything for his own amusement or to test a theory, once in a while.

    Stick with it, it’s a really good show.

    joyjoy ,

    When you see Riker grow his beard, you’ll know the series has matured.

    m_r_butts ,

    For me it's when Geordi becomes chief engineer, like God intended.

    BradleyUffner ,

    Oh wow, I had blocked it out of my mind that he ever wasn’t.

    FrickAndMortar ,

    Haha it’s true - Q even makes a wisecrack about Riker’s beard, at one point!

    Hupf ,

    Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies

    youtu.be/hA7lv1SDzno?si=sTN69AWpiAOsV-kL

    FrickAndMortar ,

    Hahaha put him in his captain’s uniform and it’s virtually indistinguishable!

    Soundhole ,

    Start with season 3, bro or broette.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    And miss “The Measure of a Man”?

    Soundhole ,

    No! Season two has some bangers, but maybe they can go back and watch those later.

    FlexibleToast ,

    He’s kind of the main recurring antagonist for TNG and even shows up in Voyager. His character does get better written as the show goes on.

    circuitfarmer ,
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    As great as TNG is, the first season is like the first season of any show: characters are less developed and the vibe is somewhat different than later offerings.

    As the show progresses, everything kind of falls into a better place. In fact, the Q character allows for some of the best episodes in the series (e.g. Tapestry). So my advice would be to stick with it and you’ll likely feel different later on.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    You’re not supposed to like Q.

    Infynis ,
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    He’s a pretty major character, but that only means one or two episodes per season. He’s just got a thing for Picard

    ummthatguy ,
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    dingus ,
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    I don’t know why it’s hilarious to me that Picard pulls up his covers like he’s ashamed at Q seeing him in the nude, as though he isn’t a multidimensional demigod who probably can see through Picard’s clothes anyway if he so wished.

    It’s just such a cute and pointless attempt at privacy with a nearly all powerful being. Like dude he just magicked himself into your bed, you think he didn’t already get a good look?


    Patrick Stewart : So in my film, I play a man who controls the world with his mind.

    Andy Millman : Right. Oh, that’s interesting.

    Patrick Stewart : Yeah. For instance, I’m walking along, and I see this beautiful girl, and I think I’d like to see her naked, and so all her clothes fall off.

    Andy Millman : All her - clothes fall off?

    Patrick Stewart : Yes, and she’s scrabbling around to get them back on again, but even before she can get her knickers on, I’ve seen everything. Yeah. I’ve seen it all.

    DrChaotica ,

    Be honest: you just wanted an excuse to post that reference, didn’t you?

    dingus ,
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    I actually remembered it after I made the comment, and edited it in. Realized how Patrick Stewart at least already understands.

    But it’s also true that I’ll drop this reference any time I get a chance because it never fails to crack me up.

    Rozauhtuno ,
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    He’ll grow on you eventually. And if he doesn’t, watch Voyager and DS9 to see him suffer 😈

    CodexArcanum ,

    Sisko’s whole attitude to Q is just so damn funny. “I’M NOT PICARD!”

    blargerer ,

    He shows up here and there, I don't know maybe 1.5 times a season or something. I'd need to check exact counts.

    atlasraven31 ,

    You’re supposed to hate Q. The Enterprise crew hates Q. He is an annoying trickster god.

    heeplr ,

    His transformation during the series is interesting. He’s developing as he learns about humanity.

    Also don’t miss the episodes in Voyager featuring him ;-)

    dingus ,
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    How big of an ongoing factor is “Q?” Because I kind of hate him.

    Blaspheme! Will no one rid me of this turbulent critique?

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