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FiddlersViridian ,
@FiddlersViridian@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s always been my feeling too. I think Mario can run faster, and Luigi can jump a little higher, but Peach just controls better. Who knows what kind of maniac would choose Toad.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Toad seems terrible!

hamburglar26 ,

I always played him for his speed and throwing and carrying ability like others have said.

I only used Peach on levels where floating was really helpful and I didn’t have to throw anything at a boss.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I pick Toad quite a lot. He’s a fast little goober.

Nemo ,

Toad pulls roots faster, and he’s my favorite

rarely ,

Thanks for the root-cause analysis.

Glad to have found you.

rarely ,

Hi! I am a toadstool maniac. Ama.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll start:

Who hurt you?

rarely ,

You know that ghost that chases you when you look away from them? That guy.

But seriously, toad’s special power is how fast he can dig and throw. Toad is max DPS. Toad is OP.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, I just tried playing as toad. I think you’ve recruited me.

rarely ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/06a713dc-896b-4a8c-8b8b-f946fbcbddaa.webp

mercano ,
@mercano@lemmy.world avatar

Toad can dig / lift the fastest, and gets a huge run speed boost when carrying enemies, making him the speed runner’s choice in many levels.

oddspinnaker ,

This is an excellent question and I await the responses to see if anyone used other characters.

Peach was the character I used the most for sure.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

I always played her back in the day too, but I remember trying the others out.

It would’ve made a lot more sense if they were greyed out when you died with them or something, so that you’d have to pick the others.

cybervseas ,

Peach is a slow runner and it takes her a long time to pick up an object.

radix ,
@radix@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a warp zone you can only reach with Luigi, IIRC (but it’s been a long time). So for one level, at least, he’s better if you want to skip ahead.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

TIL this game has warp zones

groucho ,
@groucho@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yeah, they’re pipes / jars / whatever. You have to find a potion, throw it so the pipe is available when you go through the door, and then go down the pipe.

groucho ,
@groucho@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yep, world 5-3. I dimly remember being able to Luigi superjump onto the birds in 7-1 and short-circuit a bunch of that level.

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

If you want an overly objective answer, speedrunners use different characters for different levels because they’re faster in different ways, and I don’t think Peach is used often. As a casual player IDK lol I always just played as Peach

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I should watch some speed runs. The others just feel terrible to use, and I can’t fathom how they would be better.

rarely ,

I always loved playing as toadstool. You can’t dig any faster than the toad!

amio ,

Speedruns can be a lot of fun to watch - the better you know the game, the more fun it can be. Some runs get freaky, but a lot of games have glitchless categories or some kind of ruleset that doesn't break the game too badly. A lot of glitches are fascinating, too.

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

You’re playing on Switch so I guess that’s the same as the NES release? Here’s the current world record for all levels

www.twitch.tv/coolkid/v/948465227?sr=a

www.speedrun.com/smb2?h=All_Levels&x=l9kv002g

Here’s a run from a GamesDoneQuick event which means the commentary will probably explain more than usual

youtu.be/hGTLfo3f2VI

Oh and here are the number of levels played by each character from the end of that GDQ run lol

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/b947c714-97ea-4f9e-89d5-c1fafffa3e9c.png

The world record is 1, 5, 13, and 1

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

This is cool to see. At least everyone got played once, haha.

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

And also Luigi > Mario, finally

drcouzelis ,
@drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

Oh man, I love Super Mario Bros 2! It’s one of my favorite games of all time.

So, each character actually has very different stats.

Luigi and Princess have obvious special jumping abilities. I think Luigi can actually jump a little farther… But both of them have significantly shorter jumps and run more slowly when carrying a vegetable, and both pick up vegetables quite slowly (especially the princess). This can be extremely detrimental on sand stages that require a lot of fast digging to get away from enemies, or picking up a block to throw at a boss before he attacks.

Toad is the opposite. He can pick up vegetables and run with them blazingly fast, and can run and jump as high (higher?) while carrying them.

Mario is balanced all-around.

It’s all explained in the instruction manual with some cute drawings. Each character is really quite balanced in my opinion.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow, I had no idea. I didn’t even own the manual back in the day because I played it on Mario All Stars on the SNES.

Where were you with this info in the mid 1990s?

drcouzelis ,
@drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

Lol!

I was wrong, there’s THREE PAGES in the manual on the subject! 😅

www.digitpress.com/…/Super Mario Bros 2.pdf

ArbitraryValue ,

Huh, transgender Birdette is in there too.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

I thought this comment was a joke. lol

For anyone else out of the loop, here’s a screenshot from the linked manual above:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b0ca31bf-c03e-4359-93f5-d00ee148b7aa.png

(also, apparently his name is supposed to be Birdo, but it was misprinted in the manual as “Ostro”. Ostros are the big flamingo looking things)

numbermess ,
@numbermess@kbin.social avatar

I feel like the version we had definitely had its name printed as Birdo and not Ostro. I have always called that thing Birdo.

drcouzelis ,
@drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

The name is also shown in the cast roll at the end of the game, so you might remember it from there. :)

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Man, I miss manuals like this.

elbarto777 ,

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AcornCarnage ,
@AcornCarnage@lemmy.world avatar

The strengths/weaknesses are ingrained in my brain from studying that manual. I thought it was common knowledge.

TheTim ,

Playing as Peach in Mario 2 was the OG “Funky Mode.”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The answer is that you wouldn’t. Because she can float. SHE CAN FLOAT.

ziggurism ,
@ziggurism@lemmy.world avatar

the cheevos, for one

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

The reason to has actually been removed.

In the US version of Mario 2, all you have to do is make it to the end with any character to win. In the Japanese Doki Doki Panic on which it is based, you actually need to get to the end with all 4 characters before you’ve beaten the game.

The different characters do have strengths and weaknesses: differences in run speed, item pickup speed, and jump mechanics (and Toad actually runs faster when he’s holding an item) but you are correct in that for purposes simply amounting to no more than getting through each level to the end, using Peach/Toadstool is the easiest.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Oh man, this would have been brutal and fun!

taiyang ,

I think you could recreate that experience a bit of you go after the retroachevments for the game (e.g. fan made achievements enforced via emulator). I think they require you beat the game 5 times, one for each character and once with a split group. Also, no damage runs and such. Difficult stuff.

JamesBean , (edited )
@JamesBean@kbin.social avatar

e.g. means 'for example.' I think you were looking for i.e. (which means 'in other words' or 'to be specific').

AcornCarnage ,
@AcornCarnage@lemmy.world avatar

I think of them as “example given” and “in essence” which is close enough to remind me which to use.

GreenMario ,

I think it was Famicom disk system so you could save your game?

constantokra ,

Doki doki panic is a great game and you should play it. Feels nostalgic, even if you’ve only ever played super Mario Bros 2.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

I assume I’ll need to locate a rom?

Wait, I have a famicom. I bet I could find a cartridge.

UltraBlack ,

The Steven He Asian difficulty is real?

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Emotional damage

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

Luigi can jump really high, so I like playing as Luigi as well.

spacemanspiffy ,

Peach was basically my only character ever, but occasionally I would use Toad for the Ice level with all the whales since he could jump between the bees easily.

solidneutral ,

Peach’s jump is OP. I loved SMB2.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Buh-da buh-da buh-da buh-da da-buh

aeiou

TORFdot0 ,

Peach is slow as hell. Toad all day baybee

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