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driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

The company I work for blocked ChatGPT and Co-pilot company wide, because they found underwriters using ChatGPT for subscription analysis.

Dkarma ,

Lol imagine hiring someone cuz they had used a Microsoft tool…smh

renzev ,

list of job requirements, including " - minimal java experience (ideally none) "

This but with “microsoft office” instead of java

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

you must have 40 years experience with ai to be considered for a junior developer position.

rainynight65 ,

So not only do they want AI to take your job - you also won’t be able to get another job if you don’t wholesale buy into this shit.

I love the future.

pastermil ,

Don’t worry, just need to get outside of their bubble.

Stupidmanager ,

Don’t worry, every company was hiring anyone with DevOps on their resume just a couple years back. Now its AI. I’ve been on this train for far too long, and saw places that said they sold “X” and had no one on the team that even knew it. My last place asked me to demo a devops pipeline that was “zero touch” for developers (for a client) and were in shock with my demo “why don’t we sell this?!”… I’ve been here for 2 years, delivering this easy, low hanging fruit and you want to sell the concept as a service? Sigh….

I’ve added AI to my pipeline, for “code improvement analysis and quantitative risk”, it’s just as amazing as before. It’s just a shiny feature in the grand scheme of what AI could really do in real fields (medical, financials, etc), but it looks good on my resume and i’m getting hits on my linkedin, daily.

Lets just hope this time around, companies do some due diligence on hiring and we’re not where we are now, whenever the AI bubble pops. Hahahahahaha

rainynight65 ,

The difference is, Devops isn’t a bubble that everyone is waiting for to pop. I’ve been in that field for over ten years now, and properly implemented it is a net gain for everyone who does it. The reason companies are falling over themselves trying to hire ‘Devops’ is because they still haven’t properly cottoned on to the concept but are afraid of falling behind. And yes, I can absolutely attest to the fact that Devops is a tough market to hire in at the moment, that there are a lot of places who don’t have the first clue about what Devops really is, and - similarly to Agile - think they can add some buzzwords to their toolchain and call Bob their uncle. And there are a lot of candidates who somehow acquired a Devopsy title in all that chaos, but all their CVs have are tech buzzwords, and when you interview them they’re clueless. That doesn’t change the fact that Devops is a solid concept with high benefits for those who understand it.

AI, and more specifically GenAI and LLMs - is more like crypto, in the sense that people are trying to get rich from it without having the first clue what it is. It’s this shiny new thing that everyone is rushing to get on board with, but I have yet to see someone propose a use case that actually makes sense, couldn’t be implemented better without AI, and is a net gain for those using it. Right now it’s all this nebulous bullshit, everyone just slaps their own coat of paint onto ChatGPT and calls it a day. Useful AI-adjacent concepts like Big Data and Machine Learning have been around for much longer than the tooling underpinning the current hype, and already have a lot of very valid use cases.

By the way, I work with a bunch of high aptitude Devops engineers and none of them are thinking about adding AI to our pipelines, not even to pad their CV.

AlexanderESmith ,
@AlexanderESmith@kbin.social avatar

I've actually been thinking about editing my LinkedIn to specificly call out my lack of desire to work with LLMs (which I refuse to call AI, ever). Honestly, I only want to entertain contact from employers who feel the same.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Wait, copilot and ChatGPT use are skills? Isn’t that a bit like how using a phone is a skill?

NoFun4You ,

More like googling skills. Definitely got some of my first jobs by telling my interviewer that I google shit I don’t know

suction ,

Where was this?

NoFun4You ,

Random software company downtown toronto in 2012

Empricorn ,

RSC ™ was great!

espentan ,

You might be surprised at how many people don’t really know how to use Google/a search engine effectively.

Things like “what should I search for to find X” is a sentence I hear from both friends and colleagues quite often.

Empricorn ,

Or people that type www.Google.com into the address bar?

NoFun4You , (edited )

Am I missing something? Lol /s

Empricorn ,

It’s just unnecessary extra inefficient steps, usually by people not particularly tech-proficient. Not a moral judgement, just an observation!

FutileRecipe ,

Most browsers I run into, you can search from the address bar. You can also disable or point to a different search engine, if you want. So you could skip going to the site. That aside…most browsers would accept google.com and not need the full www

I say most anecdotally as I haven’t tested them all.

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    FutileRecipe ,

    I know that’s the point, which is why I said it. The person I replied to asked if they were missing something, so I was attempting to educate them on said point. Then they edited their post to add the /s after the fact.

    arken ,

    I had a coworker in the early 00s that would repeatedly fail to search for something because she would type “www.goggles.com” into the address bar.

    Raxiel ,

    https://i.imgur.com/yRVEQ5G.mp4

    Taleya ,

    Well we are talking about execs, they tend to not know what the fuck they’re talking about

    DudeDudenson ,

    What you didn’t put googling as one of your skills in linked in?

    Raxiel ,

    “Digital librarian”

    Ogeon ,

    “Search prompt engineer”

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, copilot and ChatGPT use are skills? Isn’t that a bit like how using a phone is a skill?

    It’s about at the same level as “Microsoft Office” as a skill. They’re probably working on embedding ChatGPT and DALL-E in that suite. I’ve actually asked ChatGPT for some tips on using advanced features that I didn’t know about and it worked nicely.

    magamus ,

    That’s what Co-Pilot is.

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean integrated directly into the interface of the apps. Example: they have an “Editor” tab for Word that can analyze and get into the document directly. I expect that this will be where the ChatGPT tools will be implemented. Or is there some professional version of ChatGPT that does that already? I have only tested the free one.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think I would hire someone who regularly posts on LinkedIn.

    Appoxo ,

    Except for a community manager.

    pastermil ,

    Now, the fact anyone would be in a LinkedIn community (aside from work related) is beyond me…

    jelloeater85 ,
    @jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

    LinkedIn is for posting a link to your resume. Unless you own a business or are a sales monkey, it’s a waste of time.

    Thcdenton ,

    Huge red flag for me.

    Socsa ,

    This but unironically

    Trollception ,

    Are you a hiring manager? How many work under you?

    suction ,

    Just his wife - but I wouldn’t call it work!!

    01189998819991197253 ,
    @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

    This is worse than some of the resumés I’ve seen, with “proficient with Google search” [or “google” as a soft skill].

    SoleInvictus ,

    I recently had a coworker who was unable to understand how to use Google or other search engines. She may have been the stupidest person I’ve ever met and was the living embodiment of the fact that one can be highly educated yet still incredibly stupid.

    01189998819991197253 ,
    @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

    Haha! Oh, man!

    It’s definitely a skill, but not one I would expect to see on a resumé. I do mention it in interviews, that I don’t know everything, but I can find out. Then they ask how, and I say that I know how to use search engines. But I akin it to “keyboarding”. It is a skill, but it’s something you’re expected to know by now and shouldn’t be added to a resumé.

    Appoxo ,

    You should say that you “surf the web” and attach the stereotypical picture of a 90s child literally surfing in the virtual space.

    Cris_Color ,
    @Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

    That is a pretty excellent image

    SoleInvictus ,

    That’s how we felt! Who could make it through multiple Masters degrees and advanced certifications without even basic computer skills? I’d say it’s a one in a million chance and we found them.

    Tryptaminev ,

    You can brute force most of higher education with memorization learning still. If you work twice as hard on your thesis for the six month or so you have to write it, you can make it seem like you understood most of it, even if you didn’t. If in doubt you can always try to make a literature research thesis and just write down what most authors talked about, even if you don’t understand what it is.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Yeah, it’s one of those core components that if someone actually lists it, first assumption is that they felt like they needed to pad their resume.

    Though at the same time, it could be an attempt to say, “hey, I don’t know each of the specific languages you’ve listed, but because I know how to use a search engine, I can quickly learn any of them”.

    Like I learned python because I needed it for assignments. It wasn’t a “oh, some classes might use python, I better learn it ahead of time”, it was a “I’ve just been given an assignment that must be written in Python. It’s due in two weeks, so next week I’ll sit down with a tutorial or two to learn the basics, then I’ll just have a couple of reference tabs going while I do the assignment itself”. And I’ve done that at work for both perl and ruby.

    Out of all languages I’ve learned, the only new paradigms were things like objects, functional programming, or RTL programming with verilog. And really only that last one is a significant mindset shift. Objects are just a way to organize data and methods, functional programming is just using a new variable for each assignment, it’s all still running the same machine code on a CPU core. RTL is different because it’s designing circuitry that “runs itself”, but even that is one that I learned during one school term that I could have picked up on my own if pointed in the right direction.

    The real benefits from my schooling and experience are all harder to put on a resume. I know how to learn. I might not know everything you’d like me to know to do this job right now, but I’m confident that I can learn them quickly and competently enough to be useful in this role. I naturally gravitate towards edge cases and rule exceptions, which I find helps mature my experience quicker because debugging is more matching current behavior with a limitation I was already aware of rather than needing to discover that limitation exists. But how do I put that on a resume, especially one that needs to get passed AI filters just looking for the most matches with words from the job posting? Or as a hiring manager, what do I even look for to try to get more of those people than rigid people who happen to have a match with the current skillset I’m looking for? A university level degree is the only thing I can think of so far.

    enbyecho ,

    Can you type words? Congrats! You are now a Prompt Engineer!

    affiliate ,

    being a prompt engineer is so much more than typing words. you also have to sometimes delete the words and then type new ones

    bbuez ,

    Don’t forget that its much more effort than teaching a child, sometimes no matter your words, the machine can be stubborn. It is a very difficult and misunderstood profession, sometimes my head aches a little from typing the same thing over again, expecting a different result. But together we will hallucinate the future, engineering one word at a time.

    ZILtoid1991 ,

    There’s also jailbreaking the AI. If you happen to work for a trollfarm, you have to be up to date with the newest words to bypass its community guidelines to make it “disprove” anyone left of Mussolini.

    threelonmusketeers ,

    I tried some of the popular jailbreaks for ChatGPT, and they just made it hallucinate more.

    aBundleOfFerrets ,

    You can skip that bullshit and just run the latest and greatest open source model locally. Just need a thousand dollar gpu

    Socsa ,

    The most important part of being a prompt engineer is knowing when the responses are bullshit. Which is how the AI field gammhas been the whole time - it selects for niche expertise.

    arken ,

    So you simply already need to know what you’re asking it, gotcha. Seems easy enough.

    Socsa ,

    Kind of, it’s kind of like using a calculator instead of doing arithmetic by hand when doing load and strain calculations. It’s a tool which cuts down on the tedious (and error prone) parts of engineering but doesn’t replace the expertise. I use it frequently to write code snippets for things I don’t know the exact sytax for but could easily look up. It just saves time.

    Like, we have a guy whose entire job is to understand the ins and outs of a particular bit of modeling software. In the future that will likely be a person who runs the AI which understands the ins and outs of the modeling software. And eventually the AI will replace that software entirely.

    renzev ,

    Jokes aside, LLMs are actually pretty nice, since they lower the barrier to entry for programming. A guy I know has been doing all of his data processing with obscure Excel hacks his entire life. But recently he had to parse a file with like a million or so lines, which would take forever in excel, so now he’s hacking together a python script using ChatGPT and meta ai. And in the process, he’s actually picking up a bit of python knowledge himself. He now knows what lists are, how loops and if statements work, and he even understands “intermediate” features like list comprehension and regex. They said llms would replace programmers, but in reality they’re making more of us lol

    enbyecho ,

    recently he had to parse a file with like a million or so lines, which would take forever in excel … so now he’s hacking together a python script using ChatGPT and meta ai.

    Has your friend heard of SQL? And you know, databases?

    renzev ,

    He’s recording the extracted data into a MongoDB database, yes!

    enbyecho ,

    Jeebus wept.

    AeonFelis ,

    Of course I know AI? Who do you think wrote this resume?

    iarigby ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3b91994e-b1a4-41b0-a97d-b2c7680c2500.jpeg?format=jpg

    bane_killgrind ,

    Homonyms are the downfall of LLM for sure

    lemmytellyousomething ,

    lol

    Saledovil ,

    I’d probably take this suggestion, just to see where its going with this. (I know there’s no design behind these suggestions, but it’s funny).

    eager_eagle ,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve been using copilot for a while to know it’ll be something like timeBottom and timeTop.

    But if anyone’s getting this recommendation there’s probably not much code in that file or the code is trash. Garbage in, garbage out.

    bbuez ,

    Make sure to check LinkedIn daily using Ctrl+shift+alt+win+L for better job opportunities! Keep using chatGPT and you may just win an unpaid internship at microsoft!

    danc4498 ,

    I had no idea about this and it kinda grosses me out.

    bbuez ,

    That means you’re a normal person who does not actively engage on LinkedIn, wear it as a badge of honor.

    On the contrary, use that shortcut and see how long your brain can last scrolling through upper management feelsgood and ragebait post, it can be a fun drinking game

    vox ,
    @vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

    it’s for the official Office keyboard.
    it comes wirh shortcuts to ms office stuff and was supposed to work without installing any software, so they bound them to an extremely long key combinations no one will trigger by accident and shipped the changes to all windows users.

    also another fun fact: Ctrl + Alt + Shift + Win corresponds to the “Office” key, and hitting that combination will make Windows silently and automatically download and install the Microsoft/Office 365 App and launch it, even if it was previously removed

    alphacyberranger OP ,
    @alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Didn’t know we had shortcuts for ads

    bbuez ,

    Well that means they havent shoved it down your throat… yet. Just waiting for copilot windows explorer AI to automatically post what porn you’re watching to LinkedIn for better networking

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    We notice you watch a lot of interracial porn which means you’re good with a diverse and multicultural work environment. LMFAO

    bbuez ,

    We see you liked getting dicked down by your employer, and we also have a new compensation package for you

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2d1e4bde-4c70-4dc4-8a82-5d13e517ace4.jpeg

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