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nickwitha_k ,

I’m a Senior Software Engineer, outside of countries where engineer is a protected title. I’m also a Beep-Boop Technician, Specialized Generalist (not Full-Stack since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon), Problem Fixer, Technical Diplomat, Cat Herder (sometimes a tech lead), and The-Mean-Guy-That-Rejects-Commits-When-There-Are-API-Calls-Made-Without-TLS-Encryption-And-Hardcoded-Secrets (infosec likes me but always seems genuinely confused at a dev not fighting them).

LifeOfChance ,

I’m sorry, come again?

nickwitha_k ,

I’m a Senior Software Engineer, outside of countries where engineer is a protected title. I’m also a Beep-Boop Technician, Specialized Generalist (not Full-Stack since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon), Problem Fixer, Technical Diplomat, Cat Herder (sometimes a tech lead), and The-Mean-Guy-That-Rejects-Commits-When-There-Are-API-Calls-Made-Without-TLS-Encryption-And-Hardcoded-Secrets (infosec likes me but always seems genuinely confused at a dev not fighting them).

PmMeFrogMemes ,

sounds like a cool job y’all hiring haha jk unless

nickwitha_k ,

Not on my team, unfortunately but, I’ll check. What languages/experience have you got?

PmMeFrogMemes ,

Oh man, I didn’t think that’d work haha… Kind of you to offer but I was recently promoted and wouldn’t feel right leaving now. Partially out of respect for my boss and partially because we are severely understaffed. But seriously, thanks for offering to ask around. Very generous of you to offer your help to a stranger ❤️

nickwitha_k ,

No worries. We’re all in this together <3

Theharpyeagle ,

I’m learning that I’m just enough of a front end dev to make a very ugly site. Navigating all the various CSS and JS frameworks feels like pulling teeth.

nickwitha_k ,

Having a familiarity is absolutely a great thing. The syntax isn’t alien, so, debug and guiding juniors through figuring out why their project isn’t working isn’t too terrible. The typing is probably what drives me crazy the most. It’s just bad and the standard library doesn’t seem to be equipped to handle every type that it can “support” cleanly.

AA5B ,

since I have mostly succeeded in avoiding JS, until this afternoon

Sorry to hear that. I hit the same pothole about 6 months ago. I had been so fine with avoiding JS, but the guys building our admin console broke their build and couldn’t figure out how to fix it. Even worse, then I had to write up best practices for JS

nickwitha_k ,

Yeah. Fortunately, I didn’t have to do the programming. Unfortunately, I had to guide the debug. Happy to help people learn but the language, especially in its typing, is just awful.

Lon3star ,

“resource”

bitchkat ,

Chief bit twiddler

DanForever ,

I’ve set my role on my company’s slack profile as “code connoisseur”

MonkCanatella ,

Krep check!

trustnoone ,

Lol i do this when the pm wants to note me down as “develor lead” on change requests, and i force him to change it to “developer enthusiast” instead lol i aint leading nothing.

modeler ,

Surely that is reserved for QA!

DanForever ,

Nah QA isn’t necessarily going to understand code (the best ones do though!)

JasonDJ ,

Not a programmer. I’m a net admin.

Actually my title is “Senior Network Architect”. I hate it. I feel like it detracts from real architects, who have licensure and actual training from an actual school.

I hate it as an architect, and I hated it as an “engineer”, for the same reason.

Yes, there’s a lot of complexity and planning, especially at larger scales. But it’s mostly self-taught, some webinars, and a lot of on-the-job (read: trial-by-fire) training.

When it comes to telling computers what to do, I have no idea what to call it. I write Python scripts and Ansible modules, I guess. That doesn’t make me any of those titles though. Some times I poor-mans deamonize my scripts (while true loop) and pack them in a container.

Using some of the same tools doesn’t make me any more of the same title.

ebc ,

Meanwhile I actually studied computer engineering, but can’t legally call myself an engineer (yay Québec).

In most jurisdictions the protected title is “professional engineer”, but here it’s just “engineer”.

AlexWIWA ,

This is my opinion that is basically a compilation of the coworkers I’ve talked to about the subject.

Depends on the role. Passed senior level most prefer to be called engineers. Those are the people designing the whole system. Software developers are usually more mid level and figure out the specifics of how to design smaller sections of the system. They cut a lot of the detailed tickets and write a lot of infrastructure code.

Programmer is usually the juniors who never design much and just take tickets and turn them into code.

When I say senior, mid level, and junior, I’m referring more to the role that you’re fulfilling that day, and not the overall skill level. Engineers will often step in as programmers for more complicated code.

We usually accept any of the terms though because it’s very rare for someone to not jump between the various tasks depending on what the active project is. And at some companies they only hire seniors and they perform all roles.

TL;DR: Every software engineer is a developer and programmer, but not every developer is an engineer, and not every programmer is a developer or engineer.

expr ,

In my experience all terms are used pretty interchangeably (well, rarely programmer or coder, I guess), though I prefer software engineer.

AlexWIWA ,

I also prefer engineer but that’s mostly just due to the complexity of my current role vs my old one.

Agent641 ,

Whats it called when you know how to code, but you’re shit at it, but you’re still in charge of several much more experienced developers?

AlexWIWA ,

CTO ;)

Agent641 ,

Nice! I think I should ask for a raise.

AlexWIWA ,

Hell yeah you should

Slotos ,

If you push tickets - software developer at best.

If you iteratively solve problems by learning, building models, and trying hard to break said models until a sufficiently robust one remains - welcome to engineering.

MoonRaven ,
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Consultant

Scrollone ,

This is the correct answer, it includes everything a full stack dev might do

NigelFrobisher ,

A load of the devs at my original dotnet shop are still there, but are now called stuff like “Vice President Regional Director Lord Protector Master Technical Architect”. I suspect they’re all still writing VB.

namelivia ,

I just say IT

bitchkat ,

Gross. IT to me is a support role, not the reason for the company’s existence.

DaleGribble88 ,
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From someone who transitioned from operations to development over the course of their admittedly short career, this is a poor mindset. Much like how you shouldn’t disrespect a janitor or a nurse, you shouldn’t say “gross” about IT work.
IT may not be the reason for the company’s existence, but it is what allows it. The company may not exist without you, but you don’t exist without IT.

EncryptKeeper ,

Generally speaking software development is not a part of IT.

namelivia ,

I’d say in English there is more of a difference, in my native language the term is more blurry I’d say, for a random person it just sounds as “computers”, and to most people that’s all they care about.

EncryptKeeper ,

In English that more general word for the entire industry is “tech”. Thats the closest comparison to just using the word “computers”.

namelivia ,

Ah true, thank you! Then it is tech what I say

Deestan ,

At some jobs, I can get away with “Señor Developer” or “Computer Toucher”. Those are the nice ones.

Otherwise it tends to be “Senior Software Engineer” that carries the least constricting baggage.

I SWEAR big company middle managers hear “developer” and they can only ever see you as an infant who without guidance would just keep coding some absolute random shit and not think about product, market, customers, integration, or prioritize their own work.

CaptPretentious ,

Code whispers

MonkCanatella ,

Ummm, keyboard jockey??? Code monkey??? can we get some respect here?

some_guy ,

Code slanger. Code wrangler. Software person.

force ,

software engineer (engineer for short), software developer (dev/developer for short), software designer (although that last one sounds weird). the job is a lot more than programming, depending on your position it can be mostly communication or mostly engineering or mostly something else entirely. maybe even mostly sitting on your ass all day!

SrTobi ,

I think “prompt engineer” is the best job title on multiple levels

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