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SlopppyEngineer , (edited ) in no amount of documentation can save users from themselves

And that’s how an iPhone with an interface that even a toddler can figure out sold a few billion units.

sheogorath ,

At what cost, though? I thought the generations after the millennials would be more tech-literate. But after seeing Gen Zs around me at home and at work, things are just regressing.

KairuByte ,
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It was inevitable. We took a mishmash of things that kinda worked together with a patchwork of software and shoved it into a streamlined define with a custom made interface to tie it all together. One of those things pushes the user to learn more, and it’s not the finished and polished product.

Riven ,
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Can’t really blame them either, it was our generation that dropped the ball in making sure they were more tech literate than us. Not that I have kids but still.

orangeboats ,

The modern electronic devices are far more railroaded than it was back in the day tho.

Want to download an application? There’s the App Store. No need to download random .exes from sketchy websites (and learn what a “computer virus” is the hard way)

Downloaded a picture? It’s instantly inside your gallery. Back then we needed to find a folder called “Download” or “My Documents” using something called the Explorer!

iPhone and Android made a lot of things dumber and easier to take in, but I feel like it had a detrimental effect on digital literacy.

Riven ,
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A little. Hands on parenting is what they need. I made sure my baby brother is tech literate when my mom is 100 percent not. He just graduated highschool this year. Sure some of the blame is on tech but kids don’t know how to shit in a toilet either and parents make damn sure they learn as quickly as possible.

Revan343 ,

Want to download an application? There’s the App Store. No need to download random .exes from sketchy websites (and learn what a “computer virus” is the hard way)

We’ve had that for years, it used to just be called apt-get. Though I’ll admit a GUI software center is nice when I don’t know exactly what I’m looking for

asyncrosaurus ,

Nah, our generation had to tinker with shit to get it working. Kids these days have it easy, which is good from a user perspective, but fails to train them how any of it actually works at a deeper level.

No one has to install a device driver anymore.

Riven ,
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See my other comment.

Tldr: Parents make sure to teach their kids not to shit on the ground.

Riven ,
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As someone who’s used and uses both for work and isn’t a fanboy of either, sorry but apple does not have an easy to learn interface. It seems like every single choice they made was done to just be different from the alternative, more often than not to the detriment of the user. If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

Other people can just mimic the iPhone interface. That’s basically what Android did.

The real difficulty of switching to another device from Apple is the multi-year contract that the phone companies try to get you on.

Riven ,
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Back in 2012 apple won a UI patent and we know how those megacorps do. No idea to what extent but that sorta stops any big contenders on copying them. The multi year contracts are a meme from the past but it’s the same sort of people who aren’t techliterate enough to learn a new UI, that keep with the contracts.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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The multi year contracts are a meme from the past

I don’t know if I’d can cell phone contacts a meme.

Riven ,
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They sorta are, plenty of options for cheap quality untilited phone plans out there even with international included and very few people actually need a state of the art 1k phone to make payments on.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not policing how people should spend their money. All I’m saying is that plans are from the past and don’t need to exist, like faxes.

dubyakay ,

Carrier lockdowns seem to be an US only thing now.

FilthyShrooms , in no amount of documentation can save users from themselves
PriorityMotif , in no amount of documentation can save users from themselves
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Documentation be like:

For (literal string) place for i = T end of and rest unit 4

Kojichan , in no amount of documentation can save users from themselves
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Hupf ,
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Even worse: It’s only a paper tea.

_stranger_ , in A QA engineer walks into a bar

Doesn’t order shit, waits there while the memory leaks builds to a system crashing crescendo.

souperk , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
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GoogleSellsAds , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
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kamenlady ,
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A crunchy burger

Thcdenton ,

You will eat the bugs

FQQD , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
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xmunk ,

Uncle Bob?

I see a fantastical idealized version of a burger that could never be accomplished in real life.

wreckedcarzz , (edited ) in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
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(not an image but)

I would take an already-made burger, then inspect it and rip out elements of it, replace several others, add a bunch of layers of new things. It would take a few months and I would have no idea what I’m doing the whole time, but I would persist. The end result would be a delicious burger that occasionally has a missing item. Still working on why/where/how that happens. People would enjoy it, but most would not know that they can customize their burger, or the extent of the options.

(I used to code as a hobby in VB, C#, and Java over a decade ago, almost two; this burger example is me not knowing a damn bit of Lua, as I fork and modify a game mod to have a lot more features, less confusing variables, and lots of broken commented code as I have ideas but still don’t fully grasp what I’m doing. Weeeee!)

SatouKazuma ,

Wait, you guys have a clue? Junior dev here applying up to mid-level roles, and I’m so fucking lost at what I see as wizardry from everyone.

wreckedcarzz ,
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Yes, but actually no. :P

SatouKazuma ,

Impostor syndrome is a fucking bitch. That’s why I gave up on ever thinking I’ll understand anything.

wesker , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
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Sliders. I like OOP and neat little micro services.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/ed903db5-f5d7-4452-9c16-7f2d02a6c7e3.png

Albbi ,

Ooh, I like this one.

ByteOnBikes ,

Haha! Complete opposite.

Giant monorepo that’s delicately balanced and one wrong move can cause the whole thing to flip over.

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/3fd4bcb3-0fb4-45f3-ba31-c7a4e1e93f30.jpeg

(Not arguing over what is better. That’s just my life in the past few years, and It’s a stupid argument)

wreckedcarzz ,
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I’ll take your entire stock

(sliders 🤤)

xmunk ,

Please edit your image so some of those sliders contain a tenth of an ounce of meat and some of the other ones have a full beef wellington half wedged into a bun.

Ephera , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?

https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/a46f2e23-e6d5-487d-aef8-e20b93b62e4b/puck-high-end-petHONEYCREEK.JPG

Apparently, this is a dogfood burger. No idea why that exists, but I’ll take it, because I’m definitely dogfooding.

I’m building a build system. And I’ve got three previous/ongoing projects where I’m directly integrating it.
And yeah, I’ve noticed that I’m kind of jumping between features, always just building them as far as I need them.

And in particular, I’m not really planning ahead. For exanple, I noticed after the fact that I could easily pull out a whole feature into a separate library, and that would already be useful on its own.

But on the plus side, it’s much easier to figure out actual requirements this way.

Tangent5280 ,

Do you keep a regular log of the work that you do? Beyond the commit messages I mean.

Ephera ,

I usually keep todo-lists, where I’ve kind of noted down the next few steps for each feature. And well, those then usually also contain infos for the step I’m currently working on or for previously completed steps.

I rarely actually stick to my planned next steps, but it does help when switching between contexts, if that’s why you’re asking.

Muehe , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?
ByteOnBikes ,

Too real.

We had a consultation last year to better structure our code base to look more like the first picture. Then it slowly evolved back into the second picture.

Lemminary ,
superkret ,

It’s lean!

palordrolap , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?

The last thing I messed around with choked on some wide characters that weren't in the current locale, so I guess picture the top half of the burger bun, about two thirds of the top part of the patty, a small pile of raw ingredients off to the side and some inexplicable six-inch nails through the raw meat, maybe.

Most of the rest of the stuff I do could be compared to those nouvelle cuisine jokes that have been running since the 1980s. Large plate, inexplicably small serving of something allegedly gourmet but is probably a cube of the cheapest pâté from the closest supermarket that was flash frozen and then stylishly drizzled in jus de menthe or something.

Bon appetit

hperrin , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?

I cannot add that many layers to a physical burger.

arudesalad , in How would your codebase (personal projects, work projects etc.) look as a burger?

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/68ec029d-1d92-4f09-99d7-d0b56bfcde42.png

sorry about the amazing image quality I made this in less than a minute (I didn’t even export the image from the editor just screenshotted it lol)

sukhmel ,

I made this in less than a minute

Enterprise level doneness

vrighter ,

did you at least screenshot it to the clipboard?

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