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catloaf ,

How do you know they’re false positives?

vegeta OP ,

Windows defender claimed they’re bad because they are cracks, and doesn’t mention any reason it thinks that would be a virus/trojan or something I dont want

“HackTool:Win32/crack” from games downloaded on fitgirl repacks site (the correct one)

catloaf ,

Windows defender only lets you whitelist by file, folder, or process. You could whitelist a specific folder, but if you want to whitelist by category you’ll have to use a different antivirus product.

elfpie ,

Isn’t that a matter of behavior? The crack is doing something expected from a crack and the system warns you because most wouldn’t use it without being aware. If you really trust the file, add it as an exception.

Or do you want a software that can vet good cracks from bad cracks?

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

I think the point is that it’s a bit silly to classify cracks as malware

0xtero ,

Enterprise antivirus products have had PUP (Potentially Unwanted Program) category forever. Seems its categorized as “HackTool” so not malware.

BearOfaTime ,

Cracks modify executables…classic malware/virus behaviour. Almost the definition of malware.

Which is why windows uses a file protection system since at least XP

MrAlternateTape ,

Not at all, a crack does something to an executable file that you use. Malware would do the exact same thing.

dactylotheca , (edited )
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

But you generally want that crack to do something to an executable. Do antivirus etc. tools just heuristically flag everything that looks like it modifies an executable? Lots of legitimate dev tools do that too, so it seems like it’d give a lot of false positives, but I haven’t used Windows in ages so 🤷

MrAlternateTape ,

Well, how is the system supposed to know that you want the crack to do something to that executable? The anti virus just sees something is happening and flags it. It does not see a difference.

dactylotheca ,
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I definitely get what you mean, I just have no idea if antivirus tools flag anything that looks like it modifies executables. My edit to the comment you’re replying to may not have propagated to your instance yet, so here’s what I added:

Do antivirus etc. tools just heuristically flag everything that looks like it modifies an executable? Lots of legitimate dev tools do that too, so it seems like it’d give a lot of false positives, but I haven’t used Windows in ages so 🤷

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ByteOnBikes ,

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rozodru ,
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best anti-virus I’ve ever used? my gut n’ noggin.

been online for 30 years and have never once got a virus or trojan or anything and I pirate A LOT. My point being you’re not going to find a super duper great anti-virus program and they’re all gonna be annoying and provide false positives etc. Windows defender is going to ping you a lot cause you’re using cracks to alter admin settings to get your pirated shit to work, that’s the point.

Download from trusted sources and uploaders, do your research. if it feels off or looks iffy then bounce out. People who get virus’ and trogans and shit honstly don’t know what they’re doing and in many cases it’s all hogwash anyways to sell you anti-virus programs.

Like really, truly, think about it for a moment who in your entire life has recently gotten a computer virus? out of all the people I know in my life I can’t even think of a single person that has.

floofloof ,

How do you know you never had malware if you have no means to check for malware? It’s not like it will announce itself.

BearOfaTime ,

I don’t see anywhere that was said.

rozodru ,
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    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    I’ve also been online and pirating for 25+ years and your bragging horseshit is hilarious

    Fuck off mate, we’ve all had browser toolbars and had to reinstall windows multiple times in the past. Not so common now but before it was part of the deal

    Don’t be a dick, you’re not impressing anyone

    otp ,

    There’s a lot of malware that just chills in the background and hides itself well (e.g., auto-shuts down whenever task manager is opened), and does little to impact you aside from using some of your system’s resources.

    Think being part of a botnet used for DDOS attacks, or a cryptominer that runs whenever you aren’t using much of your hardware’s capabilities.

    Petter1 ,

    Ever heard the term “botnet”?

    BearOfaTime ,

    And test in a VM if you really want to be sure.

    BlanK0 ,

    If u are on Linux I recommend using firejail on the executable

    stuckgum ,

    Obviously he is not on linux

    LainTrain ,

    Just don’t use one. Just don’t download anything dodgy and you’re golden.

    OsaErisXero ,

    They just said they were downloading arbitrary binaries to execute

    LainTrain ,

    Where?

    OsaErisXero ,

    He's downloading cracks or cracked executables

    The cracking groups aren't exactly signing their work with a verifiable public key

    LainTrain ,

    Yeah but that should be okay as long as he’s getting it from legitimate places (rarbg, official fitgirl site, cs.rin.ru, rutracker etc).

    I’ve not had an AV for like 10+ years, had defender disabled with GPO as soon as I installed W10 and had no issues.

    The best AV is your brain. Obviously if you download GTA_6 _(Brazil)_by_xP3tYa1337x.pdf.html with an embedded .hta directly from an IP address in Kamchatka and you have IE installed then yeah maybe you need to give things a manual scan pass with defender or malwarebytes (or just toss it in a VM) once in a while but otherwise you’re golden.

    Even most vulns today labeled 0day are either unexploitable or require the user to be a dumb motherfucker.

    Trust me.

    BearOfaTime ,

    You’re not going to find an AV that doesn’t flag modifications as virus/malware. That’s kind of the definition of malicious behaviour by a program.

    Hell, Windows itself will overwrite changes you make to certain exscutables/dll’s, etc, with its own file protection system.

    Test your cracks in a VM. Then use them as needed, or do the cracking in a VM.

    bjoern_tantau ,
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    virustotal.com

    Most antivirus software is more sketchy than random cracks.

    charade_you_are ,

    malwarebytes will flag cracks like all the others but when I used to clean computers for a living, it rarely gave a false positive and found the most bullshit on Windows pcs. This was a few years back so I don’t keep up with how it is these days.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Think it’s also important that it’s not a resource hog. None are perfect but I recommend ESET.

    Teknikal ,

    I sometimes think about disabling defender I think theres a site that can do it. Downside is it’ll probably break windows but yeah it annoys me it’s always wasting my battery plus yeah it throws fits over things like cracks

    Last time I was mad enough to think about this it wasn’t even a crack it was Autohotkey it didn’t like.

    aldalire ,

    ClamAV is an open source antivirus

    github.com/Cisco-Talos/clamav

    zaknenou ,
    @zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    probably I will be punished for this comment but: Kaspersky
    second best AV is Malwarebytes,
    there is a subreddit for ranking them r/antivirus or something

    OfficerBribe ,

    So what you are saying you want a shitty AV that would not recognize a potentially malicious executable? Any normal AV should flag crack as a potential threat due to what it does.

    Stick with Defender and whitelist executables you trust. This is computing 101.

    mr_right ,
    @mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    i don’t think that’s possible mate for 2 reasons :

    • software companys pay antivirus software makers to flag and remove game cracks
    • cracks use obfuscation and workaround techniques that are similar to whats used in viruses so most flag them as mallisious
    Seabyte ,

    I haven’t used an Antivirus in years… That’s one advantage of GNU OS’s. I run cracks inside sandboxes which then run Wine and DXVK for compatibility.

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