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nik282000 ,
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A good mouse already lasts practically forever. I have been using the same MS Trackball Optical since 2002, original switches, new bearings after 15 years. As long as it directly translates XY motion and clicks in real space to XY motion and clicks in screen space the device is feature complete, no more value can be added via subscription service.

n3m37h ,

Logitech has been on the decline for a while LGS was awesome replaced with the far inferior GHub. Now they’re doing it with the physical hardware? Fuck y’all

griD ,

GHub is a terrible piece of software, ugh.

filister ,

Great, Logitech wants to release Mouse as a Service (MaaS) now we also need Keyboard as a Service (KaaS), right? /s

PassingThrough ,

Yeah, I can see more of this happening as demand for quality products increases.

Things that don’t need replaced don’t bring in more money year over year, which means they have to keep coming up with other excuses for you to buy a new one just to stay above water.

Any time purchases reach critical mass and mostly everyone has bought the “last gizmo you’ll ever need”, they’ll have to release the last-last gizmo you’ll ever need.

One-time purchase forever mouse would just mean once sales drop they need to release the forever-ever mouse, now with an extra button, then when that one peaks, the forever-and-ever mouse, with one more button than that.

Or they’ll hit a ceiling and go the way of Instant Pot.

It feels like a choice between rental(this) or rental with extra e-waste(any time you replace a cheaply made or planned obsolescence product) and it sucks.

wersooth ,

I haven’t see any logi mouse which woudn’t break after a year, quality is gone for 5+ years now for that brand. I’m more than happy with a noname Hama brand mouse costs half, lifetime 10x :D

XTL ,

I’ve probably used a few for closer to a decade. Especially the three button ones in the 90’s (in Sgi granite) were nice.

Actually there’s an optical wheel mouse of some sort right here on my desk that I think I got used with a computer in maybe 2012. Model stickers have fallen off, the plastic is worn down and even the metal plate at the top looks as if it had been sanded down. It says Logitech, though.

But those naturally aren’t current models.

dvlsg ,
@dvlsg@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had a couple of g pros that each lasted about 3 years.

Sure as hell wouldn’t pay a monthly subscription for them, though.

MindTraveller ,

What’s the point of a mouse that lasts forever if your purchase doesn’t?

sunzu , (edited )

We should shove it up the CEOs as and make him pay us!

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

That would be a different market, where the CEO benefits.

itsgroundhogdayagain ,

Don’t do it, Logitech. Don’t go full HP.

MotoAsh ,

They already have with their planned obsolescence. At least HP printers tend to work if you give them blood of your first born ink.

axo10tl ,

Dumbest shit I’ve heard this week.

Switches that last forever would be interesting. Subscription models and sw updates for a mouse are the very opposite of interesting. I’d pay not to have either.

XTL ,

There are industrial switches that last practically forever. I’ve made some test robots for wearing out limit switches and the decent ones could be hammered constantly for days on end without a single miss.

Another component that doesn’t wear out is a photo gate. It doesn’t click or spring, though.

Actually just a decent keyboard switch would probably put up with a lot.

But it’s cheaper to go cheap and you get more repeat business.

LostXOR ,

My $50 mouse has switches rated for 20 million clicks. Had it for 5 years and it still works flawlessly, but if they do ever wear out I can replace them.

Cagi ,

So of you miss a payment your mouse shuts off?

How is your standing policed, with an always online requirement? So if I move and need to wait to get my internet up, I can’t use my mouse?

Are they legally liable for lifetime support or are you signing away that right in the EULA and they can end support for your “lifetime” mouse on a whim?

I’d rather rent my furniture than subscribe to a mouse, but both practices are exploiting this world’s rampant financial illiteracy.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

They could probably do that in windows by adding some service that checks if the mouse is valid… Since on windows it’s using Logitech drivers.

On Linux it’s open source so no way they can do anything.

LowleeKun ,

So what they mean is we have received expensive garbage that had a short shelf life from the very beginning and they would now rather make a “quality” product and milk us dry for owning it? Sure sounds like a good idea for shareholders.

If i could choose one job it would be to fuck CEOs and shareholders with rusty razor blades.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

OK, so, you’re right. Let’s be fair, though: this is capitalism. There are companies that make quality mice, and they are more expensive and don’t compete at the same scale Logitech does. If Logitech made quality mice, they’d be more expensive, and even more consumers would look at and choose cheaper mice from their competitors.

Part of this is absolutely “margins & profit.” Part is the veiled curse of online shopping: when you can’t feel and handle the product, much more of shopper decision comes down to simply price: this is the T-Shirt Effect: if two online products look identical, but one is less expensive, most people are going to opt for the less expensive one. It’s put established companies known for quality out of business, or driven their product quality down to compete. Part of it is that there are few reliable, authoritative review sources; many are barely disguised paid ads, or star-manipulation. The end sum is consumers voting with their dollars, and companies responding accordingly. Sales are down, your competitors’ are up, people are choosing products you know are cheaper crap, and so it’s obvious people prefer cheaper crap, so you make it.

It’s a lose-lose for everyone except those companies able to quickly clone reputable products, but with lower-quality components, and flood the online market with them.

Low-quality, low-cost mass manufacturing has put products in the hands of people who wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford them. But it’s also driven down quality, and driven waste up; the same decision process being used by low-income folks is also used by middle-class, and with nearly all shopping being online, consumers have few options for a better process.

The equation changes when you get to the wealthy, who can shop with companies who aren’t competing on volume, but reputation and margins: the Bang & Olufsens; the Breguets, and the Urban Jurgensens. People who can afford to shop with artisans shop differently, but all t-shirts look the same online.

givesomefucks ,

The concept mouse that Faber examined was “a little heavier” than the typical mouse. But what drives its longevity potential for Logitech is the idea of constantly updated software and services.

What software or service updates does a mouse even need?

Like, the crazier mice have software, but it doesn’t really need updated. It’s just for fine tuning DPI and turning off the flashy lights.

Tarogar ,

I mainly wonder how they are going to solve a broken microswitch with a software update…

Jajcus ,

When you pay them as long as you use the mouse, they have a business reason to keep it working as long as possible (so to use batter switches) and sending you a new one when one breaks can still be profitable for them. Software updates are less important here.

I guess for end users it will still be cheaper and more convenient to buy a new regular mouse with a one-time payment after the previous one breaks. And that is how electro-trash piles up…

sunzu ,

There is a lesson in there about how we get stupid outcomes from "capitalism"

clif ,

It’s just for … turning off the flashy lights.

This right here. But the software is garbage and I’d prefer they didn’t include the disco lights at all. Maybe that’s a way to improve profits?

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