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SidewaysHighways ,

Man, some of my buddies picked it back up and I just can’t understand. How much fuckin money have they given that piece of shit company over the years? And now it’s Microsoft? Sigh

savvywolf ,
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My understanding is that at least some WoW players switched to ffxiv, which does seem to be popular and well updated. If you’re looking for a new game, might be worth a look?

simple ,

FF14 has taken over most of the MMO hype, but plenty of others like Runescape and Path of Exile are also doing really well. It’s just that if you don’t have people you know actively playing them, you won’t hear much about it.

Neuromancer49 ,

A handful if my PoE friends have picked up Last Epoch which I’ve found to be more approachable. Little less MMO but a very similar game.

simple ,

I’ve been meaning to pick it up but I heard it was buggy last I checked. I might wait more on it (patient gamer and all that).

Rinn ,

It is fun, but buggy + doesn’t have great performance in some areas. I’ve recently played it for a bit on 1.1 patch drop, and lasted for about 6 hours until I hit a brick wall of a progression blocking bug. There was a decently large thread about it on the forum, no dev response, no fix in the next 3 hotfixes, so I stopped playing. Might come back for 1.3 or something.

Neuromancer49 ,

Very interesting - I haven’t hit a single bug during my play.

Neuromancer49 ,

Touche, forgot this was PatientGamers. Grim Dawn is basically the same sans MMO. It’s the best ARPG I’ve played like, ever, and it’s due for a huge DLC soon. Goes on sale for very cheap often.

Unlike Last Epoch, it’s more item-focused. Unlike PoE, the items aren’t a total nightmare to optimize…

algorithmae ,

MMORPGs may not be the butt of South Park jokes anymore, but that doesn’t mean that they’re dead. They’re more diversified… Like others mentioned, other games are quietly stealing the thunder. Also, if you think about it, battle royale games are kinda MMOs with how many people are in the lobby, and games like Roblox and Minecraft can have players interact with large numbers of others

mynamesnotrick ,

Just a thought, maybe the MMO player base is just aging out? I started with WoW back in 2005, I just don’t have the bandwidth in life anymore for an MMO. I imagine that is a similar feeling for a lot of us millennials.

MonkeMischief ,

I miss that feeling a little bit. My undiagnosed-ADHD highschool self with like 18 characters hovering around level 20, never maxing one out because the ~30-40 slog was real, just chatting up strangers for fun while hopping around various towns’ mailboxes and occasionally actually doing game content. (Remember when Barrens chat was a meme for basically being like the /b/ of WoW? LOL)

… And it didn’t feel like impending doom or that I was somehow wasting my life away. It’s just what I did after school and that was alright.

It’s how I met my wife though, so it all worked out. :)

I could go on for days but WoW’s peak was a neat way to build social skills while being behind an avatar kept you from being too vulnerable.

I feel like online gaming now has gotten so anti-social and that the mere fear of potential toxicity just has everyone locked up and suspicious; Afraid to talk to anyone they don’t already know. Thanks to, what, basically Discord? Game chats are completely dead.

I remember trying Guild Wars 2 and thinking every other player might as well just be a bot because nobody interacted. :(

PoTayToes ,

I remember trying Guild Wars 2 and thinking every other player might as well just be a bot because nobody interacted. :(

I’m sorry that was your experience, but this is very much opposite of mine. Not only is the game still going strong (new expac came out like two weeks ago btw, and it’s pretty good!), but in all my years playing (and that’s been since Day 1), I’ve had so many fun interactions in the game.

And that’s without even counting the ones with my guilds. I’ve even had some fun chats in ranked PvP, the saltiest place in the game. I’m playing in European servers, which probably doesn’t change much versus NA, but yeah, there are often conversations going on in map chat, or locally, between total strangers. Also between teams in WvW, during events, during festivals, waiting at the Wall after the Chak Gerent…

It’s a very friendly community and I encourage you to give it another try! And yeah, if you can find a guild suited to your tastes it’s even better!

waz ,

I was always behind the curve of whatever the core game was on wow, so I was always trying to catch up to the guys who introduced me to it, never really had the time to do endgame stuff with them, because of having two little kids. By the time WOTLK dropped, I was PUGing a DK all the time because I was nowhere near the endgame where my buddies were. After that I became incredibly casual. Just questing the storyline of wherever I was. Dropped it and came back in classic. When Cata dropped on classic, with no era to play on with, and again, I was no where near cap the whole second time around I unsubbed. I have just rolled a PS and intend to casually bum around until my server falls over and I’ve maxxed out every char and class I want to.

WraithGear ,
@WraithGear@lemmy.world avatar

I’m attempting to host a private Ragnarok Online server for my small group of friends. Its a shame that game is all but forgotten, the music has not been topped… except by ffxiv maybe.

MonkeMischief ,

Ragnarok was so weirdly awesome. I loved how unique it was and somehow the jank was charming. The sprites and job tree were fantastic too, and I could listen to that music all day. :D

WraithGear ,
@WraithGear@lemmy.world avatar

When the kids these days called the jupiteros music the roblox theme, i lost my shit.

Rai ,

My GAWD the game was CHARMING. I loved the broken English, i loved all of the classes, I loved all the friends I made… RO legit probably saved my life. I had a bad time in school and it was my escape. I wasn’t sure if I loved Moonlight Flower or wanted to be her.

Never did get that GTB card. DID get Angeling for my GC ‘sader! And an ice pick for my SD SinX.

I miss that game so much. But it’s not the same.

jecht360 ,
@jecht360@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not too terrible to set up a RO server. There’s even a guide to running one on a Raspberry Pi.

I followed the guide a few years back and it worked out pretty well. Instead of setting up a site to create user accounts I just ended up manually adding users to the database.

Rai ,

HMU if you do and want another player, it’s my favorite game of all time. SoundTEMP did SO GOOD with the music… I still listen to the soundtrack today. Bless them for just including the MP3s with the game.

Paradachshund ,

Guild wars 2 just released a new expac and I’ve been really enjoying it. Lots of people online, so I’d say not dead at all.

Blaze OP ,

Nice, I didn’t know!

Gerudo ,

I was just about to say. My friends wanted something to just mess around in, and I had no idea it was still as popular as it is.

Paradachshund ,

Gw2 is like the sleeper MMO that no one talks about but everyone still plays. I think the lack of subscription and never raising level cap does that to it. It’s a very welcoming game to pick up and put down as time allows.

Gerudo ,

I was an og GW player. I hadnt played GW in like 15-20 years? I came into GW2 just 2 months ago and was overwhelmed at first with everything an old mmo adds over the years. I finally found the play groove and we are all enjoying it, even the ones still playing WoW. So much so I might grab the living story addons.

Paradachshund ,

They’re a lot of fun actually. Especially if you like open world exploration. They add a lot of very cool maps.

Daze ,

Is it still approachable if you’re someone who hasn’t played since before there were expansions for gw2? Asking for a … friend.

Paradachshund ,

I’m probably not the best judge cause I’ve been playing semi regularly since launch, but I’d guess it’s a really good time actually.

Long story short they’ve recently changed to a yearly expansion model with smaller scale expansions that tell more contained stories. The first one was pretty rocky, not gonna lie, but this new one is really good so far.

If you’re someone who wants to go through the entire story and catch up you’ve got a very long road ahead of you (up to you whether that sounds good or not), but if you wanted to get back in quickly the new expansion is a totally reasonable starting point I’d say. You won’t get a lot of the references, but I think you’d still get plenty of enjoyment being dumped in. I’m guessing it would feel like picking up a long running book series on book 20–there are lots of references and characters you don’t know, but it’s also doing its best to catch you up as a new reader and not expecting you’ve read it all.

Aside from story stuff, the game has had a bit of a Renaissance lately and there are a lot of new players from what I can tell.

Daze ,

This is EXACTLY what I was wondering about, thanks so much!!!

Good to know they acknowledge that not everyone is interested in the ff14-esque story grind where you have to travel from start through finish. Definitely going to at least check it out. Heard something about where you can do dungeons solo-party? I think that was gw2.

Anyways the book series comparison is perfect 👌

Paradachshund ,

Most of the game is solo-friendly. Some things are very difficult to solo, but if you get really good at the combat system it’s still possible.

Coordinated end game party stuff isn’t my bag so much, so I’m not sure about soloing it. There are a lot of different things you can do with different names that all amount to dungeon/raid style content. The things actually called “dungeons” are all from the original game and are really old at this point. The newer 5 man dungeons are called “Fractals”, and there are also 10 man raids, and 10 man boss only encounters called “Strike Missions” (basically a single raid boss with no dungeon around it).

EonNShadow ,

Old School RuneScape is alive and well, we got a new boss yesterday, and we’ve been getting drip-fed content all year this year.

anothercatgirl ,

I played Planetside 2 a few months ago it was good!

finestnothing ,

The next war in foxhole starts today, it’s a war MMO and I highly recommend it. No subscription (one time $30 purchase on steam), no microtransactions, no paid expansions, no cosmetic bs, grind is optional. New players are in the same spot as veterans, all resources are shared (regiments/people can have private stockpiles, but they decay after 48 hours of being inactive) and are all made by players. You don’t get anything for making or transporting supplies except for the joy of supporting the war effort - which is good because if no one made supplies, no one could fight.

Want to chill? Mine scrap and make basic materials, throw in your nearest seaport for anyone to take (or put in your regiments stockpile if you’re in one). Or transport supplies from far backline stockpiles to Frontline/closer via truck, train, or boat. Or drive supplies to the Frontline, just make sure you have a gas mask and radio! Or make bullets, medical supplies, or anything else in the game at factories. Or trucks, cars, boats, tanks, trains, etc.

Want to plan? Either start building up production centers at the start of the war, rebuild them as we take land, or build defenses in the backline or on the front.

Want to fight? Get on a ship crew in an artillery gun and listen to your captain to tell you when and where to fire. Get in a tank with a crew and go balls to the wall on the front line. Grab a gun and some supplies and charge into trench warfare. Mortars? Yep. RPG’s? Yep. Want to be a doctor? Move with friendlies and fix them up when they get messed up, or carry them back to your hospital to get new supplies for people to spawn from.

Want to be sneaky? Sneak past the Frontline and sabotage their logistics people or buildings.

Want to be a gigachad? Join the wardens now.

stargazingpenguin ,

I keep looking at Foxhole, but I’ve never tried it yet. Is the non combat segment of the game pretty chill overall? I’m not really a big fan of competitive MMOs, but the behind the scenes aspect does interest me. I hear about a decent amount of positivity in the playerbase, but I’ve definitely heard negativity about the recent state of the game.

finestnothing ,

Yep it’s still chill. The war just started so I’ve spent the past 2 hours driving materials from my regiments stockpiles to the Frontline, eventually partisans (enemies behind the Frontline) took out my truck so I flagged the location, next time I drove through they were all gone and I kept delivering supplies. Even if you mess something up in logistics, no one is going to get mad at you. It’s competitive in that each team hates each other, but largely unless you start trolling or team killing people are positive.

If you do end up getting it I can help ya get started learning stuff if you need

stargazingpenguin ,

Okay, thanks for the information! I appreciate the offer, I’ll have to keep that in mind if I decide to get it. I think the logistics end of the game could be a lot of fun.

CancerMancer ,

I used to be a heavy industrial player in EVE Online and Foxhole fills the hole, surprisingly. Each faction has at least one group whose sole purpose is logistics, and they’re both decent.

stargazingpenguin ,

I had been talking with someone else on here about trying EVE in that playstyle a while back! I never tried it, but it always sounded interesting. Logistics sounds like it could be an interesting thing to try in Foxhole, I may need to give it a go.

stargazingpenguin ,

I generally just don’t play a lot of online games anymore. I have a job where I have to deal with people all day, so the last thing I want to do is go home and deal with angry people while I’m trying to relax!

I do play some Elder Scrolls Online and Star Trek Online, but I primarily do single player content. The normal extent of my interaction with human players is to help them if they need help, or to thank them if they help me.

Ashtear ,

I haven’t seen a lot of chatter around live-service games in Patient Gamers communities in general over the years, but from what I can tell, very little of the Warcraft community made it over to Lemmy. I can think of a couple possible explanations for that.

First, because everyone uses Discord for voice chat over WoW anyway, with the Reddit exodus last year, Discord was always a more natural fit for discussion. Second, /r/wow has increasingly become a place for discussion around the game among former players, especially after Shadowlands. Seeking out a new space on Lemmy and actually participating in the necessary, proactive contributions to grow a community requires more enthusiasm than I think the jaded players have.

It certainly feels like there are fewer MMO players, but I’m not sure. I think we can be certain that younger players are being captured by different forms of live-service games though (shooters, various gacha) rather than traditional MMOs.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think most folks have cared about WoW for quite a while now. Those that do are mostly playing on private servers.

FFXIV has picked up all the old wow-heads and is highly active and fun to play.

Tellore ,

By MMO you mean MMORPG specifically? Because MMO in general is the most popular type of games imo… League of Legends, Dota, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch - all are super popular. Regarding MMORPG, I see a lot of youngsters play Genshin. I’ve personally been playing a classless WoW pserver lately.

CancerMancer ,

How the hell are League of Legends or Valorant considered MMOs? Are Rocket League or Team Fortress 2 MMOs? Is Battlefield 5 an MMO now?

The expansion of this term to include 5v5 games is never not going to piss me off.

Tellore ,

I always considered “MMO” as a synonym for “multiplayer”. Anyway, if you take the word “massively” into account, you could also treat is as “massive number of players you could POTENTIALLY reach by joining one of the rooms” (word “potentially” as opposed to “actually reaching at any given moment”). In actual MMORPGs it’s not like you can actually interact with all the people online at the same time, you still are limited by geometry and game logic of the world at least, like no one will ever gather in a single town because people are doing other stuff, or are from enemy factions, etc. And in many MMORPGs there is instancing going on, so even players in mob farming locations can be assigned to different instances and not see each other because of reasons.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

Star wars the old republic is pretty great, not perfect but super solid story, essentially just Kotor 3. I played it reguarly for last few months and truly enjoyed it like how I used to enjoy WoW back in the day. I know certain fans are going come at me with knives for saying this, but imp, it has much better story content than FF14.

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