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TheEntity ,

Nothing screams “RESPECT!” as loud as the fear of physical violence.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Kissing the hand of an elder is a traditional sign of respect in Turkey - notes the Duvar portal.

That is fair (although weird). Now lets talk about slapping children in the face and giving them money for kissing you!

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Slapping children in the face is traditionally considered disrespectful in many cultures.

Viking_Hippie ,

In Utah, it’s the traditional greeting with which you start any municipal proceedings!

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Thank Mormon Jesus I moved.

Mango ,

[obligatory bird person]

AmidFuror ,

That website had a huge list to scroll down to opt out of cookies. At the very bottom was a highlighted button to toggle everything on and undo all your hard work.

But I'm sure everything else they do is trustworthy.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

I couldn’t even have uBlock remove that

FierySpectre ,

Out of all things, somehow privacy badger removes it

MonkderVierte ,

This site convinced me to, yet again, block third-party scripts by default on mobile. That works, btw.

Muscle_Meteor ,

All for a 2 paragraph article, i spent longer unchecking the fucking boxes

foofiepie ,

I have my client (voyager) set to default to reader mode, so I didn’t even see any cookie options. Does this mean I accepted them all or none or what?!

BossDj ,

Reader mode kinda just leaves the cookie popup in limbo. The website is still waiting for you to answer. Same as not accepting I guess. You can text this by toggling reading mode on/off and the pop-up will appear

*edit: I dunno if it just replaced the cookies now that I think about it…

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Here is a picture of Erdogan falling off a horse and then getting kicked in the dick by said horse.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86d1472b-8aa5-48c6-84c5-63214dcf8ece.png

Gsus4 OP ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

haha, “and he was never the same again…”

frog_brawler ,

This is a good way to have that kid growing up disrespecting authority in general.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

That’s not how it works. If the society tells him that he wrong and rightfully punished, kid will likely just accept that reality.

Crowfiend ,

Or, hear me out, he grows up resentful of all who lord their undeserved power over him, like billions of other children already do?

ArbitraryValue , (edited )

Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.

“Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.

(Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)

Crowfiend ,

That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.

ArbitraryValue ,

Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.

(It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)

Crowfiend ,

Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.

Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.

If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.

I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.

ArbitraryValue ,

I don’t know of any society where physical violence against one’s elderly parents is ever considered acceptable. A young adult is stronger than his elderly parents, but that young adult is universally forbidden to physically harm them, and this taboo is very rarely violated. (Edrogan isn’t the boy’s parent but he’s even higher up in the “respected elder” hierarchy.)

Crowfiend ,

Social standards are not the benign excuse you think they are. If someone ever hits you, you hit back. If that’s how they think you learn, then make them learn that getting hit hurts, and show them why they shouldn’t be hitting.

Letting someone hit you just cause “it’s normal” is called Stockholm Syndrome, and is objectively worse than being the one that’s doing the hurting, because it teaches other people that hurting others is okay.

If you saw an adult, hitting and dragging away a child who’s fighting back with all their might at a grocery store, there’s 2 things that could be happening. A.) just a parent “disciplining” their kid, or B.) a literal kidnapping is taking place.

In your (clearly more informed) mind, it would always be scenario A, and you wouldn’t even think twice about the possibility of scenario B, “because that’s the social norm,” according to you.

I’ll say it one more time: IF YOU THROW HANDS, EXPECT TO CATCH HANDS, NO MATTER YOUR AGE, GENDER, OR FUCK ALL.

ArbitraryValue ,

It seems like you’re talking about what you think ought to happen rather than what actually happens. I’m not saying that social standards are correct in a moral sense but rather that they do objectively exist and control most people’s behavior. Maybe the world in which people usually did fight back would be a better world than ours, but it isn’t our world.

As for your specific question about the screaming child: the chance that it’s scenario A is nearly 100%. Public kidnappings like that do happen but they’re very rare. (I think that in practice, people would ignore a woman doing it but sometimes intervene against a man doing it.)

hitwright ,

It’s pretty regular thing to beat your father if he abused you before. (Usually happens when the child is around 16). Then the child is kicked out of home. Many such stories here in Lithuania.

ArbitraryValue ,

How does the legal system respond?

hitwright ,

Both abuse cases are illegal. Throwing away from home is legal once the child is 18. Or 22 if the child is attending higher education (trade school or university)

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

We just went through a global fucking pandemic. Maybe get rid of the idiotic traditions that contributed to the spread of disease.

David_Eight ,

Do you think we should get rid of shaking hands as a greeting?

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. Fist bumps work just fine.

solsangraal ,

it all makes sense why trump loves erdogan

Gsus4 OP ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

that’s the equanimity you expect from a head of state these days :/

someguy3 , (edited )

Slap him back.

If you can’t reach his face, then it’s nutz slappers.

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

I love how this is front page news while the fact that Turkey is a totalitarian dictatorship, openly committing war crimes is a topic about as well-covered by the US mainsteam media as Isreal committing a genocide.

It reminds me that if a ruler is brutal enough, eliminating ALL of their enemies, they are free to rewrite history.

NocturnalMorning ,

This is NotTheOnion, I’m sure you’re right, but not really the place to be complaining about that.

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Are you sure about that?

ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE

is the right place to be shedding light on genocidal dictators.

You sound like a censorship-happy Reddit mod.

roguetrick ,

Guy’s so dedicated to going off topic that now he’s complaining about Reddit mods. It’s like a core personality trait.

protist ,

Israel’s attacks on Palestinian civilians are in the mainstream news every day bro

demesisx , (edited )
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Bro…I live in the US where even the headlines from the NYT are heavily editorialized to act as pro-Israel propaganda. They might report Isreal attacking Palestinians but they’ll make sure to reword any (war crimes) violence inflicted (bombing refugee camps and actual, working hospitals) by Israel forces as “defense” and any violence perpetrated by Palestian-friendly forces as “terrorist attacks”.

sunzu ,

Yeah but they are "talking" about it to make the normies feel OK about the hard work israel has to do to defend itself and clear Palestine for settlement.

You really should give journalists and editors who hoe for the regime more respect, shitlord.

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

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  • sunzu ,

    Reading comprehension fail lol

    demesisx ,
    @demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

    Grammar fail. Your comment made no sense.

    sunzu ,

    You not understanding something doesn't make it grammatically incorrect lol

    protist ,

    You say “even the headlines from the NYT” like the NYT is representative of the whole of the US news media, which it is not. The NYT has been skewing conservative for some time now

    demesisx , (edited )
    @demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

    I mention the NYT because they are ubiquitious. They are literally called, “the paper of record” in the US because they are the most well-respected news organization here by many (not me but many). I could point to THOUSANDS of other US papers and news organizations presenting even more egregious propaganda as well if you need.

    Are you seriously trying to defend the batshit-crazy notion that the US mainsteam media ISN’T biased in Israel’s favour?

    Nougat ,

    That was ... weird.

    HubertManne ,

    eww. I can spit on it if you want the saliva.

    BackwardMonkey ,

    Funny, the more I learn about right wing political strongmen and dictators the even less I like them, in fact, I strongly feel disliking.

    Gsus4 OP ,
    @Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

    They are the ultimate posers, every single one of them. They can’t take the slightest appearance of criticism, even if it is coming from an old lady or a child but act and because they think that ignoring rules that make our society function makes them all powerful.

    BackwardMonkey ,

    It has much to do with deep rooted family culture and sexism, the man is stronk, the man do stuff, the man pays, the man hits. Other men look at political stronk man and say, There, look, a Stronk man!

    Gsus4 OP ,
    @Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

    Yea, it’s Pleasantville all over again. I just thought we were over that, but ultraneoliberals have a way of fucking over people and making them lash out in predictable ways that sometimes they try to harness to impose their agenda. Then we fix it e.g. New Deal, WW2, EU…then we forget why we had those protections…liberalize everything again…and back to strongmen at the gates to save us from ourselves by enslaving us. It’s like every hundred years we need a mass human sacrifice to appease the gods of chaos and relearn how to keep societies balanced.

    LEDZeppelin ,

    I wonder what kind of parents that kid has

    hitwright ,

    Normal, a child shouldn’t be forced to kiss elders.

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