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zod000 ,

Maybe they just got a statement by “Most Men Lawn Service” or something.

Sam_Bass ,

Say it all you want. Doesnt have any bearing on observed reality

0ops ,

What’s the opposite of eating the onion?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The NYT has been having a real one ever since Trump edged ahead of Biden in the polls.

This is pretty standard for the Newspaper Of Record. They will gargle your balls when you’re leading, then start pissing on your face as soon as you dip under the 50% marker.

This creates a certain degree of ideological confusion, as “The NYT is too right wing!” was a popular belief under Bush while “No! Too left wing!” was popular under Obama and later Trump.

But they’re literally just blowing in the wind. If Biden ever gets over the 50% approval line, you’ll see a flood of “Yo, did you know Trump Bad Aktuly?!” headlines and “Is Biden our greatest American President? These three guys trying to sell you a book think so!” Op-Ed think pieces.

mechoman444 ,

I’m sure he respects some women. Right? … Right?

Anticorp ,

Why on earth is the NYT writing shit articles such as this one? I thought they were one of the last remaining journals with some integrity. They’re determined to keep trump relevant and therefore help him win the election. Eh? Well fuck them too then.

RBWells ,

Excuse me, what?

I unfortunately know a lot of guys who like him (and a couple of women) and it’s more like they don’t care, not that they have a positive view of his personal life, they just don’t think it’s relevant. They like how he functioned as president, or rather, how they recall he did.

Even in that group you wouldn’t find one who thought he was “respectful to women”.

Snapz , (edited )

This is the question and answer phrasing. Remember, these disingenuous fucks are purposefully trying to manipulate you.

The thing that pushes this “result” over the “majority” line (from this very likely flawed, non representative sample anyways) is the phrasing of “not much” as an answer - which FEELS like a NO answer to many, but is TECHNICALLY read here and tallied as a YES. Cowards.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d4060439-10d5-40af-92be-cfa18c7b347d.jpeg

Remember, polls are archaic, inaccurate and pretty much exclusively made up of a swath of the country, dying in place with otherwise empty lives, that now dedicate themselves to waiting for these calls to give purposefully misleading answers to skew results and provide click bait to unscrupulous reporters like this one. This poll was ONLY telephone based and answers of non-college graduate were weighted heavier than others, per their stated methodology.

Also, what does it say to you about this question THAT IT WAS ONLY ASKED ABOUT TRUMP? This poll is full of directly comparative questions about both Biden and trump, not this one though… weird coincidence I guess?

Register and get out to vote. We helped that criminal, rapist loser lose last time and we’ll do it again.

Sconrad122 , (edited )

This is a great comment to contextualize the headline. But the numbers you are showing are for registered voters while the headline specifies men. Were there crosstabs for male respondent results that paint a less reasonable picture? 41% (weighted, as you point out) of all registered voters is already pretty high for the two yes-aligned answers, it wouldn’t shock me if the political gender gap pushes those two over 50% when looking specifically at men, as unfortunate of an indicator as that is on the ability of those in my gender to understand what respect for women even looks like

Edit: found it, the crosstabs for men do indeed show 54% at “a lot” + “some”. Truly an embarrassing showing

CrayonRosary ,

We helped that criminal, rapist loser lose last time and we’ll do it again.

🤨

Sam_Bass ,

Lie often enough and it starts looking like truth

statist43 ,

I mean, its “Grab 'em by the Pussy” not “hit them every day”

TBH its not so bad.

otp ,

“Grab 'em by the Pussy” not “hit them every day”

It’s interesting how the line of “respecting women or not” falls somewhere between those two statements for you…haha

statist43 ,

I thought the /s wasnt needed.

otp ,

The problem is that some people think that way.

“What do you mean I’m a bad husband? It’s not like I ever hit my wife!”

statist43 ,

Thats right and sad.

Agrivar ,

Everyone who has ever thought that was wrong. This is the internet, sometimes even the /s isn’t enough!

Cruxifux ,

Unintentionally funny title

Gabu ,

“Most men”, huh? How did they get that nice sample size of 4 billion people?

ZeroCool OP ,

Here’s the first sentence to clear things up:

This month, The New York Times/Siena College poll asked voters how much they think former President Trump respects women.

uienia ,

Thanks. The article is paywalled, so I think people can be excused for not having read it.

But holy fuck that does not speak well of US men who answers polls.

A_Random_Idiot ,

men who view trump as respectful to women are men women should probably run screaming from.

ZeroCool OP ,

Yeah, it takes a whole lot of misogyny for a man to look at this dude’s actions and statements over decades in the public eye and still arrive at the opinion that Donald fucking Trump respects women.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

None of them accept facts. They say they do but they reject them. Half of my friends I’ve known since before politics mattered to us ended up on the misinformed Rubepublican side. If you give them facts (like adoptions rose by 52% when gay marriage was legalized in the 90’s) they just reject them or ad another criteria. The guy we were arguing with said gay couples don’t make a difference because older children still have a hard time getting adopted, what?

These people aren’t interested in good faith arguments or any evidence presented. They’ve figured out subconsciously that reality does not align with their viewpoints and are primed to reject it. Idk what you do when a good chunk of your population gets like this but we need to do something to get these people out of these harmful misinformation circles.

Anticorp ,

That’s just it though, they don’t look at decades of history, or even what happened yesterday. They only look at what trump and friends tell them in that moment. Whatever they were most recently told us what they believe. That’s how they can flip opinions so rapidly. So, if Fox or Trump said that trump respects women right before they took this poll, then dag nabbit, he does!

BonesOfTheMoon ,

It’s also stupid because Trump doesn’t really respect anyone regardless of gender. He just regards people as furniture.

Anticorp ,

He regards them the same way a carpenter regards nails when he’s framing a house, assuming the carpenter has a deeply rooted hatred for his job and the tools required to complete it.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Trump loves his beautiful generals. He loves Big Guys. He absolutely adores a strong man dictator, whether its Mussolini or Kim Jung Un or Putin or Xi or Duterte or Netanyahu. Anyone a line of guys in uniform have to salute can win Trump’s heart.

He’s simply got a hard on for powerful people. Margaret Thatcher’s Iron Lady act absolutely gets his rod up.

madcaesar ,

Trump respects women as much as I respect that orange piece of shit.

Snapz ,

I DON’T respect this woman and imagine she doesn’t respect herself if she puts her name on an article with that headline

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c160e587-1ca9-4d2e-9434-e4f238f96f7a.jpeg

xx3rawr , (edited )

Bidgood, Trumpbad, Obamacare, Bushate

Edit: Wow downvoted for some obvious braindead joke. On a satire community, no less. lmao

Entertainmeonly ,

We all know what Bush ate…

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/897dd1f2-a093-4a6c-a96a-deff7fd776f8.jpeg

WldFyre ,

Why? For reporting on the results of a poll? What an odd, disproportionate response.

Snapz ,

For choosing to highlight a single, purposefully misleading question, in a much larger poll, without context, and operating from flawed sampling/weighting in the first place.

Read my other comment that highlights the specific flawed question. Please try not to just volunteer blind, reactionary defense to a conversation you’re half invested in.

WldFyre ,

“This woman titled this article differently than I would have, so I don’t respect her and imagine she doesn’t respect herself.”

You sound like quite the catch lol

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