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oDDmON , in Neil deGrasse Tyson Complains That “Dune 2” Isn’t a Shining Beacon of Scientific Accuracy

Newsflash!

Neil Degrasse Tyson secretly aspired to be a mentat; is sore he’ll lose cred if he reveals same.

snapoff , in Neil deGrasse Tyson Complains That “Dune 2” Isn’t a Shining Beacon of Scientific Accuracy

He’s just jealous of mentat calculation abilities and making up any complaint he can possibly think of to discredit the franchise.

CptEnder , in Neil deGrasse Tyson Complains That “Dune 2” Isn’t a Shining Beacon of Scientific Accuracy

Man I sure hope the year 10191 isn’t considered scientifically accurate by 2024 standards

PolandIsAStateOfMind , in Neil deGrasse Tyson Complains That “Dune 2” Isn’t a Shining Beacon of Scientific Accuracy
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The book also wasn’t, shocking i know.

Thorry84 ,

Almost like, and hear me out on this, science fiction isn’t science, but fiction.

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Buddahriffic ,

A lot of science fiction should instead be called science fantasy.

Cypher ,

Which is why I hate the majority of scifi as they aren’t self aware.

Self aware science fantasy can be excellent.

Hard science fiction can also be excellent for different reasons.

GoodEye8 ,

So like hitchhikers guide?

Cypher ,

Sadly I’ve never gotten around to reading Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy however what I have heard is good.

I’m a big fan of the satire in 40k which has novels spanning several genres, so there’s almost always a fresh type of novel to dig into, even if they are the equivalent of cheap romance novels but for nerds

Buddahriffic ,

I highly suggest you give hitchhiker’s guide the time. Not sure if you’ve read any Terry Pratchett, but IMO Douglas Adams is on another level (and Pratchett is pretty good himself). I ended up reading all his books in like two sittings once I started.

billgamesh ,

If you haven’t heard the original radio drama, i highly recommend. I actually prefer it to the books now. It’s on archive.org.

ursakhiin ,

I don’t even think science is involved. Dune is straight fantasy.

kakes ,

I mean, honestly, the phenomena in the book were surprisingly plausible.

Obviously the movie took some liberties here and there, either out of necessity or purely for style, but pretty much everything in the book at least has some semblance of a connection to our current understanding of science.

jacksilver ,

I don’t think seeing into the future using drugs and the crazy women cult with power to control people with their voice was really aiming for scientific accuracy.

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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Best part where they had genetic memories from after the genes were passed.

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  • PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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    I mean yeah, genetic memory would kinda suck for the purpose they have in those books, you would just see a million years of childhoods and youths. Alia would probably organised the craziest parties in empire though.

    that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?

    Not really, they mentioned memories of death, so assuming most people do not get concieved after the death of their parents (specifically mothers in case of BG) means those aren’t really genetic memories but just magic.

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  • PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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    When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie

    No, spice orgy is one of the many scenes from books that got cut out in the movie. Interestingly, i noticed that Verhoeven read the book very throughly, but the book he read was apparently Messiah and Children, since a lot of scenes and few important characters are cut off, but there is A LOT of things that should be in the 1st book considering what happened in the books 2 and 3, but weren’t since Frank Herbert did not plan the books, just wrote on the moment for the most time. Paul in the new movie very often sounds much more like the Preacher from Children of Dune than like Paul from 1st book.

    they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them

    Some people can predict the future there so why not limited telepathy

    And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.

    Yes, that is explained more in books 5 and 6. This was done by the Fremen, and then spread to BG when they started to use the water of life, but that require conscious effort of real Reverend Mother, and i meant the old non-RM memories. Also it would still not included death in most cases since it was done before every time.

    Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷‍♂️

    In case of Ramallo scene the movie was exactly like the book.

    jdnewmil ,

    The books went to some pains to convey that memories after birth were not passed along. Haven’t watched this flick though.

    PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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    No, they weren’t going to any lenght to show that, iirc Leto II and some BG admitted to have memories of many deaths, which would be impossible if those were genetic memories. The only one who legitly could have those was the last Duncan since he was ghola made from the amalgam of genetic material from many previous gholas, and even in his case it was explicitly said he had memories he shouldn’t have.

    It’s just magic.

    NigelFrobisher ,

    Which is still complete bollocks, of course. Your genes don’t get continually updated with memory data while you’re alive, or even change at all.

    Stay off the drugs, Frank.

    kakes ,

    The Bene Gesserit control people by knowing how to modulate their voice to trigger people’s base instincts. Like, that instinct that tells you to run when you hear a tiger’s roar, or shiver when you hear a whisper. It’s just that, cranked up to 11. Iirc, they can only really use the Voice on a person after having studied them to find what they will react to (or if they happen to be particularly weak-willed).

    As for seeing the future: Computers were replaced with humans long ago in Dune, but they continued to fill and develop those niches with the human mind. Future-sight is essentially like a supercomputer running a simulation, which is why Paul is able to see the future better when he takes spice, or the Water of Life. By gaining the latent genetic knowledge of his ancestors and thereby having more data to work from, he is better able to run these mental simulations.

    Cypher ,

    latent genetic knowledge of his ancestors

    Oh so complete fantasy

    kakes ,

    Well, yeah, it’s a fiction novel.

    jacksilver ,

    The explanations were thorough and fun (in my opinion), just not the most scientific. But I think Dune, like star wars, was always more of a space opera than hard scifi. It definitely does a better job, but if your looking for a better “predict the future with data” scifi story, then foundation is a better fit from that era.

    billgamesh ,

    Foundation is awesome. It also has a very fun BBC radio drama on archive.org

    autotldr Bot , in Neil deGrasse Tyson Complains That “Dune 2” Isn’t a Shining Beacon of Scientific Accuracy

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    Famed astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson once again has a scientific bone to pick with a motion picture.

    This time, per The Hollywood Reporter, Tyson’s qualms are with the second installation of Dennis Villineuve’s “Dune” series — a film in which a superhuman cohort of women use a special voice to perform mind control and a very bald Stellan Skarsgård floats through the air.

    But as the scientist explained an appearance on the “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” last week, his issues aren’t with the superhuman magic of it all.

    According to online forum discussions and a 2017 study, Tyson’s right: sand is pretty good at absorbing noise.

    But as Tyson points out, pretty much all legless, worm or snake-like creatures on Earth have to slither in S-shaped lines if they want to move forward.

    Colbert and Tyson then went back and forth with some worm movement theories; the former offered that perhaps they have some sort of propellant system on their underbellies, while the latter wondered whether they might simply be “pooping really fast.”


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    KingThrillgore , in German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times
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    COVID: I have no fear

    [this guy exists]

    COVID: I have one fear

    delirious_owl , in German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times
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    Well, voluntary lab rat shows the safety of vaccines even when abused I guess

    Carighan , in German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times
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    According to Alex Jones, this guy should now be dead ~400x, also a Reptiloid, a Muslim, a Space Terminator Alien French hybrid, the God Emperor of Israel and at least 25,2 Joe Bidens. 😅

    Fascinating that it’s given as “for personal reasons”, tbh. I bet that reason was to show their neighbor who was an anti-vaxxer or something. Older germans can get petty like that. Source: Am older german.

    autotldr Bot , in German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times

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    A 62-year-old man from Germany has, against medical advice, been vaccinated 217 times against Covid, doctors report.

    “We learned about his case via newspaper articles,” Dr Kilian Schober, from the university’s microbiology department, said.

    Dr Schober said: "We were able to take blood samples ourselves when the man received a further vaccination during the study at his own insistence.

    Evidence for 130 of the jabs was collected by the public prosecutor of the city of Magdeburg, who opened an investigation with the allegation of fraud, but no criminal charges were brought.

    Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccines work by showing the body’s cells a bit of genetic code from the virus.

    Dr Schober worried hyper-stimulating the immune system with repeated doses might have fatigued certain cells.


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    BuddyTheBeefalo , in German tourists lost for more than a week after Google Maps mishap
    Late2TheParty , in German tourists lost for more than a week after Google Maps mishap
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    Dang! Glad this turned out well for them.

    Tristaniopsis , in Customs and Border Protection's top doctor tried to order fentanyl lollipops for helicopter trip to U.N

    I think he didn’t like flying and was hoping to numb himself into not panicking.

    sonori ,
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    Then why in the world would he not just say so and just drive or walk to the train between DC and New York? He’s a government official, but not really one notable enough to need a security escort to go to the grocery store.

    Appoxo ,
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    Because there are drugs that have not a need to be described as class II?

    Tristaniopsis ,

    Or maybe he just want a lick’o the ole fenty.

    livus ,
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    @Tristaniopsis my first thought was that he wanted to give them to children.

    I'm glad it turns out fentanyl lollipops for adults are actually a thing.

    deur ,

    Nobody is giving drugs to children, they’re expensive.

    livus ,
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    @deur I like how you think and I want to be more like you.

    Not being sarcastic, btw.

    autotldr Bot , in Customs and Border Protection's top doctor tried to order fentanyl lollipops for helicopter trip to U.N

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    The chief medical officer for the Customs and Border Protection agency repeatedly asked staff members to order fentanyl lollipops for him to take on a helicopter mission to the United Nations in New York City in Sept. 2023, according to a whistleblower report by the Government Accountability Project.

    Over half a dozen CBP employees were involved in the “urgent” requests to purchase the fentanyl lollipops, the whistleblowers said, with senior leadership in the office reporting concerns about the process in emails.

    According to the whistleblower complaint, Eastman “created a hostile and chilled work environment” through attempts to “flout law and policy,” and with his disparagement of other senior leaders and abusive treatment of other staff.

    Alvarez, who suffered from sickle cell anemia and heart disease, died after detention facility staff dismissed or downplayed her complaints of pain and declined to take her to the hospital multiple times.

    The CBP spokesperson stated Friday that the Department of Homeland Security launched a review of the OCMO following Alvarez’s death “to address the critical failures that led to this deeply upsetting and unacceptable tragedy.

    This review quickly identified serious concerns within OCMO, including mismanagement, and an insufficient focus on delivering consistent and quality medical care.”


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    Delphia , in The Enhanced Games: Peter Thiel backs drug-fuelled Olympics-style competition

    PEDs could literally change peoples lives if doctors were allowed to prescribe and manage their use. Im on some shit that would turn up on a test if I were an olympic athlete, simply because I got tired of trying to keep my middle-aged ass in shape and continually catching minor injuries that fucked up my training. The fact is, some of these drugs/compounds are banned because they WORK.

    Fizz , in The Enhanced Games: Peter Thiel backs drug-fuelled Olympics-style competition
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    The closest we have is worlds strongest man.

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