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Buffalox , (edited )

This is not just modern age, this is how it has been for as long as our knowledge reach back. Women are less prone to violence than men.

Some say testosterone makes men more aggressive, but the problem is that the difference in aggressive behavior can be observed before sexual hormones kick in.

Another possibility could be social structures.

This article says there are 2 theories:
www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/roots-aggression

One being male competition for reproduction, and the other social.

Problem is IMO, that it doesn’t swing with behavioral studies of children, that to me seem to exclude both as the fundamental course for higher male aggression and tendency towards violence.
Seems to me it goes deeper, yes we do have competition for reproduction, but so do women, and women can be quite competitive and aggressive about it too, but generally in a less violent way.

A third more likely possibility IMO, is that in a society where mankind consisted of small nomadic groups, the men had a role of protecting the group, while women protected the children.
This role for the male, needs the male to be less prone to fear of consequences of violence, giving the ability to confront danger, where women protecting the children were probably more prone to evade danger.

So yes you could say it’s based on a social role, but that role is not just learned, it’s a genetically encoded social role, that is then reinforced by social structure and hormones. Obviously women have the ability to take the role if needed, because we are sentient beings with ability to learn traits.
Now there is a curiosity in that women have actually become relatively MORE prone to violence for the past 50 years. And the above hypothesis does not explain that.

As I see it, there must be new factors playing a role that did not exist previously. I suspect it could be an increase of man made hormone like chemicals in the environment, that influence our behavior.

jordanlund ,
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Buffalox ,

Yes obviously there are women serial killers too, I never claimed there isn’t, I just claimed women are less prone to violence, which is a damned hard statistical fact.

mononomi ,

In your third option, why would the men protect the group and the woman protect the children?

lath ,

Pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding. The bonds formed during these times would mean mothers to be more likely to safeguard the child than assault an aggressor with reckless abandon.

Buffalox ,

You are 100% right, the downvote must be some creationist.

mononomi ,

Wouldn’t safeguarding mean they still need to attack an aggressor?

Buffalox ,

Good question.
It’s a thing that evolved among humans over millions of years. Men evolved bigger stronger muscles, because women are more vulnerable during pregnancy, and infants need their mother to survive.
Making men more available for the more dangerous task of protection and hunting.
So by the numbers, we evolved those roles, because it improved chances of survival for the group.
Males are more aggressive, because it actually help the group to survive short term attacks and hunting for food, and women are on average more cautious because that helps infants and the group survive long term.
It all boils down to survival of our ancestors.

mononomi ,

If they are vulnerable during pregnancy, why wouldn’t the woman evolve stronger muscles? Then they could also make the men care for infants. I guess suckling would still be a woman thing but that doesn’t take the whole day right.

RobotToaster ,

Lucy Letby, Beverley Allitt, Heather Pressdee, Reta Mays, Kimberly Saenz.

Female serial killers are more likely to be nurses, I guess.

some_guy ,

That makes sense. Men are more likely to have the ability to overpower their victims, so nursing would give women a leg up in that regard.

Karyoplasma ,

Jeffrey Dahmer was so overwhelmingly strong and manly, I firmly believe a woman would not be physically able to do what he did. /s

AWittyUsername ,

Dr Harold Shipman, The Grindr Killer.

Don_Dickle OP ,

Are you watching to much ID tv?

Greg ,
@Greg@lemmy.ca avatar

Unfortunately in our society women don’t get enough opportunities. If we truly care about equality we should be supporting women who want to become serial killers, help them break through that glass ceiling.

Rhynoplaz ,

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tilefan ,

I frequently see the statistic that men commit something like 90% of homicides, but then you’ll notice that the clearance rate for homicide in this country is below 50%. makes you wonder

radix ,
@radix@lemmy.world avatar

Not a scientist by any means, but this article (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3767421/) says men have a 3:1 difference in the rate of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Another: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3920596/

There is compelling evidence from behavioral genetic research that heritable influences are of importance in the development of antisocial behavior; approximately 50% of the total variance in antisocial behavior is explained by genetic influences. Yet, there is also evidence of a large environmental effect, both shared and non-shared environmental influences have been found to explain the remaining half of the variance.

Obviously I don’t mean to suggest that everyone with ASPD is a serial killer, it presents in a number of ways, but it’s hard to imagine a serial killer without some sort of disregard for the value of life. This is probably one of many factors that tilt the scale toward violence being much more associated with men.

southsamurai ,
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Well, truth is that nobody knows.

There’s just not enough information available for anyone to have a reliable predictor of what will make someone become a serial. There are definitely the common things among serials, but they aren’t always present, and aren’t present in every serial. You know, the whole animal torture/killing thing, escalating lesser crimes, etc.

So it’s impossible to know why more serials are men since we don’t even know why anyone goes serial in the first place. There’s not even definitive proof that the percentage of women serial killing represents all of them, or just the ones that got caught. For all we know, the numbers could be the same, and women are just better at getting away with it.

So, there’s not really an answer to the question, though there are theories.

The two theories I ran across that were the most convincing are that “triggering” whatever it is that makes people become serials is more likely to occur with men; and that there may be some linkage to the differences in hormones and brain development that go back to the womb. There’s also the idea that it’s both of those in conjunction, which seems more likely that it being only one of them.

Buffalox , (edited )

it’s impossible to know why more serials are men

I disagree, it’s part of a pattern where men are generally more violent than women.

For all we know, the numbers could be the same, and women are just better at getting away with it.

No this is not likely, since serial killers are generally caught, it’s very difficult to hide multiple killings.

some_guy ,

No this is NOT a possibility, since serial killers are generally caught.

As far as we know / hope. I bet a lot more get away with it than we’d think, though probably less than ever with modern tech / surveillance etc.

Buffalox , (edited )

The thing with serial killing, is that it is very difficult to hide.
Some of the hardest cases can be for instance a nurse at a hospital killing in a way that appear natural.
But even that gets detected quicker than you would think, because while 1 killing can be a fluke death, already at 2 killings, it can throw off the statistics and cause an investigation. With 3 it’s almost impossible the incidents can’t be tracked back to the person who did it.
An other situation can be a woman who kill their husband for inheritance, and then does it a second time. That second time is usually enough for alarm bells to sound for families of the deceased. Resulting in more thorough police investigations.

Obviously it can happen they get away with it, but I’m confident, that by far the most serial killers are caught, because it’s insanely difficult to hide multiple killings.

blargerer ,

This is just survivorship bias right? The ones that get caught are hard to hide. That's part of why they got caught.

some_guy ,

because it’s insanely difficult to hide multiple killings.

Which is why serial killers have tended to pick on the lowest members of society. Gay men and prostitutes just going off of Dahlmer and Jack the Ripper come to mind, but it’s a common theme. Less common is something like BTK going after whole families and he nearly got away with it but for a stupid mistake, I think, with metadata on a floppy disk. But we’re in agreement that it’s hard to pull off I just think the numbers would be larger than we’d expect etc etc.

blockheadjt ,

Oh hey it’s you again, time to block with my new account

Deestan ,

Nobody needed to know that

aubeynarf ,

Global regulatory efforts to eliminate heavy metal exposure may be part of it.

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