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JackGreenEarth ,

Before Lemmy, ML always meant machine learning to me.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Fwiw, I don’t think the connection to communism was ever confirmed by the admins. Likely a happy accident for them

Kaboom ,

No, theyre marxist-leninists. Basically, unironic communists.

Delta_V ,

who are, ironically, not communist

Kaboom ,

Marx wasnt a communist? Ive heard a lot of “not true communism” takes, but thats a new one.

ReeSilva ,
@ReeSilva@bolha.forum avatar

How do you not know? He literally wrote a book about not to be a communist called The MaNOfest of the ComunNOst Party.

ZapBeebz_ ,

I think the meaning is that the Lemmy.ml fascists aren’t actually communist.

RightHandOfIkaros ,

Of course Marx wasn’t a communist. He was a Marxist. Duh.

Eldritch ,

Probably because you haven’t read much on the subject. Marxist theory speculated on how societies and economies could transition into communism. He and others created the philosophy and Concepts involving it. But were not communist strictly speaking. At least not in anything other than the state of the individual.

Engles, and Lenin mistakenly thought that by replacing the authority and power of the wealthy with their own people. That they themselves would not fall to the corruption of power. And eventually over time the authoritarian state would somehow magically wither and die. Leaving them with a classless stateless society. Keep that in mind that is important for understanding whether something is communist or not.

Was Russia classless or stateless? No Russia was a state. And they had plenty of different classes. ML never eliminated that. In fact all the current Russian oligarchs have direct ties back to the political Elite of Soviet russia. And instead of transitioning into a communist Society they’ve transitioned into fascism.

Now let’s look at china. Is China a state? Yes. Not communist then. Are there different classes of people in china? Yes not communist then. Their claim on even socialism is somewhat tenuous at best. But they are definitely not communist. And at this rate will never transition into communism. Xi Jinping has moved into the Emperor’s Palace and is all but Emperor in name only at this point. He and his wealthy friends will never relinquish power to transition to communism. They will stay as they are until he dies. And then there will be a power vacuum. There may be some in fighting but someone will replace him and China will continue on until there there is another Revolution to replace the failed Communist Revolution that put them in power. Are they transition into open fascism as well.

Kaboom ,

I saw this explanation a long time ago on reddit, and Im stealing it.

There are two types of communism. The communism in theory and communism as practiced.

Most people talk about communism as practiced. Think the USSR, China, Argentina, Cuba, any “state capitalism” country. This is how any attempt at communism will end. This is due tobthe fact that there isnt a mechanism to go from the tyranny of the proles to true communism, so you get stuck in tyranny.

Youre talking about communism the theory. Communism the theory can not exist. Its fine to discuss it, but saying that communism the theory is the only true communism is just being obtuse and/or disingenuous.

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

This is where people mess up when they judge the past in the eyes of the present. Communism in Marx' time had nothing to do with the Soviet Union, Mao or China.

bionicjoey ,

Lenin isn’t Marxism. Stalin isn’t Marxism. Mao isn’t Marxism. Tankies aren’t Marxism. Marx would have thought nothing good of China and Russia. Marxist Leninists idolize Mao and Stalin. They think police states are the bees’ knees

TrippyFocus ,

Can’t remember the specifics but the Mali government was allowing free (or super cheap) use for awhile so that was the reason.

AllNewTypeFace ,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

Marxism-Leninism?

givesomefucks ,

It’s hard to imagine someone’s been active on Lemmy for a year and didn’t know that…

BertramDitore ,
@BertramDitore@lemmy.world avatar

I had no idea about this, and I’ve been here for just over a year. Also, keep in mind which community this is.

cannedtuna ,

I don’t think I’ve ever questioned it before. There’s so many servers I don’t bother to know the history behind them all.

xmunk ,

I’d assumed it was a reference to machine learning.

jacksilver ,

Same

hendrik ,

And I think they used to be free.

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