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How many people actually want fully on-site IT jobs?

I’ve been looking for a new job as a software developer. The huge majority of job listings I see in my area are hybrid or remote. I just had an introductory phone call with Vizio (which didn’t specify the location type in the job listing). The recruiter told me that the job was fully on-site, which I told her was a deal breaker for me.

It makes me wonder how many other people back out after hearing that the job is on-site. And it makes me wonder why this wasn’t specified in the job description. I assume most people only want hybrid or remote jobs these days, right?

Anyways I was just wondering how many of you guys apply for on-site IT jobs? Hybrid is so much better, I don’t know why people would apply for on-site jobs unless they have no other options.

Ephera ,

In my team, 2 out 15 people come to the office regularly, because they prefer the separation of work from free time.

I can definitely see some benefits from being on-site. You do occasionally just run into people, who can tell you really useful things for your job. And it’s definitely harder to keep track of what my wider team is working on, since we’ve gone mostly remote.

But those benefits just as well evaporate when “on-site” becomes two or more locations. I’m not going to run into someone who’s in a different office in a different city.
If I have to actively work together with people from different locations, I will also be wearing headphones all day, not able to socialize with the people around me. That makes it rather pointless to go into the office.

And yeah, just the flexibility of being at home is really useful. I can take a break from work to load my washing machine. I can sleep until 5 minutes before my first meeting. Or I can walk to the store in the morning, when it’s still cool outside.
So yeah, personally, I certainly wouldn’t go back to a fully on-site job, unless it’s somehow the best job in the world in other ways.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

My dad is the only human being I know that likes his on-site IT job, but that’s probably because he’s getting away from the miserable woman he married for a few hours a day.

bitchkat ,

I was in that boat for a bit but it was my mentally ill adult child that I needed a break from.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

Different boat. You didn’t choose that. Best wishes!

bitchkat ,

All good!

Weirdfish ,

The office is 3 day a week onsite, w Mon and Fri remote.

I have to be on site Tue - Thur to support the users.

I go in most Mon and Fri because it’s the only time I know I have physical access to the systems.

My support work is largely “remote”, in that I can manage my systems 99% of the time better from my office than in the room, and I really like my setup.

Aside from physically rebooting hardware that’s too frozen to reboot remotely, or replacing defective hardware, I can work 100% from anywhere I have internet.

Thing is, I love the company I work for, the end users and various IT and facilities staff that support my work are all great people.

The only close friends I have all moved far away decades ago, so the “water cooler” is the only real social interaction I get.

I do spend a ridiculous amount to live 15 minutes from the office so the commute isn’t a concern.

corsicanguppy ,

I have to be on site Tue - Thur to support the users.

My current day-job went from 100% get-in-that-chair-and-straighten-that-tie to 100% get-out-now on CoViD day 1. It was a rapid adjustment, to say the least; and the shit managers who needed to stare at asses all day to feel better just … left. They’ve since sold most of the office space but for some meeting space, 2 hotel spaces for those who prefer it, and one rotating helldesk dude to receive Fedex.

Supporting users? Onsite? Nope. It’s 100% remote service, and for the rare cases where it needs physical interaction with a component, the user and gear comes to the office and the onsite helldesk stuckee works it over. For those of us far-remote (regs are anywhere in the country, so long as the internet’s clean) we cross-ship for cheap or bring it to one of a very few deputized-for-secret-squirrel shops. I have a docking port-replicator I’m waiting on a shipper label for, for instance.

TL;DR - you don’t need to be onsite to support remote workers. That whole “bodies in the same room” thing is gone.

darkmarx ,

I run a development department, and nobody who reports to me comes to the office. We have been 100% remote since 2020… much to the chagrin of HR. Others in IT come in, but no developers. I see no reason to change it either. I question why I even come in most days.

Without looking it up, I don’t know how many people I’ve interviewed over the last 4 years, but there’s been a few. I’ve only had one person who indicated he wanted to be in an office. Every other person wants fully remote. The most common comment I’ve heard from people is saying they will settle for hybrid if full-remote isn’t available.

There’s some value to having people work together in-person, but I’d rather give my teams the flexibility to choose for themselves rather than force it.

andrewta ,

I prefer to work in the office.

Lower utility bills for me. What little I spend in gas, yeah it’s a no brainier.

Also as the chair/desk/etc wears out, the company pays for it. It’s not like they give me the difference if I work from home.

My only complaint is led lights. Companies don’t understand what they are doing when they buy the lights.

CookieOfFortune ,

What’s wrong with LED lights?

andrewta , (edited )

Most companies put in lights that run at 5000 kelvin. So they appear to be white or even slightly blue in color. It’s hard on the eyes.

3500 or 3000 Kelvin would be more natural light.

Plus most of them have to slow of a refresh. So I see a flicker. Think a strobe light and move your hand in front of your eyes. That shudder or screen door effect that you would see. That’s what I see when I’m around led lights.

Most companies refuse to invest in better lights.

CookieOfFortune ,

Aren’t fluorescent bulbs the ones that flicker?

I agree about the color temperature.

andrewta ,

Depends on how sensitive your eyes are. There are people that will pick it up in led. More people then you realize. There was quite a thread about it in lemmy a while back.

Better quality led lights will have less of a problem, but I’ve yet to find one that fixes the issue.

kent_eh ,

Aren’t fluorescent bulbs the ones that flicker?

Yes, but so do cheap LEDs (or more specifically LEDs with poorly designed drivers/power supplies)

twinnie ,

I don’t want to bring work into my home, plus I like meeting people. The only problem is the commute.

fubbernuckin ,

I really want fully on-site jobs. If i work at home then i never get mental separation of work and life, and so i feel like i can never actually live. It happened to me with all of my schooling and honestly with the distress it causes me, I’d be better off not living at all than working at home.

OutrageousUmpire ,

That’s weird it wasn’t in the job posting. Seems like they’re wasting their time talking to candidates that aren’t interested in on-site.

I only want remote. The company I work for was once extremely remote friendly. Like 75% of job postings from them were for remote. Now they’ve changed to hybrid or fully on-site at the word from the CEO and like only 5% of open roles are remote.

They kept me remote, but my interactions with others are much less remote friendly. I’m looking for a new job, but will have to be for a company that is mostly remote itself.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I’m also trying hard to avoid being in the office, even taking pay cuts for it. I can’t sit in a damn office and write code. The stress from trying to block out people moving and talking is exhausting.

JimSamtanko ,

I would any day. I need my work life and home life to be separate or I go nuts.

Magister ,
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Software developer here, WFH since March 2020, I don’t want to go back to office. If I would apply for a new job, my first question would be “is this 99% remote?” because I don’t mind once a month going there from like 10 to 2 to avoid trafic jam.

ElderberryLow ,

I wouldn’t back out automatically. It depends on the situation for me. I did a fully on-site job in the role I had right before my current and it was worth it. Now I’m in the office usually 60% of the time. It’s not for everyone, but I would not immediately shut down a job opportunity just because it’s 100% on site.

geekworking ,

It really depends on where the office is in relation to your home.

Before covid and going WFH, the office was only 5 miles away on roads with no traffic. I would go back to this, no problem. Just enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.

The biggest benefit of an office is that when you leave, you are gone until tomorrow.

When everyone is WFH, you never completely leave the office. I know boundaries, but in many cases, the lines can get a bit fuzzy.

GOTFrog ,

When Im done with workmy work vomputer is powered off, if they want me at the office I told my manager I expect a 20K raise and free parking.

corsicanguppy ,

my work [computer] is powered off[;]

That’s the way. KVM switch if you multi-use the space. Mine has USB for sound so it’s the same sound setup.

corsicanguppy ,

the office was only 5 miles away […] enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.

The new building where I live has wework spaces. I can rent on 5 and live on 20 and it’s an elevator ride if I want to work in the glass cube farm or open petri dish. But nooooo, we got this place for the AC and extra bedroom to write off and my cat’s sleeping on the desk as we speak like a sloppy floofy hobo so … nooooo.

snooggums ,
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About a third of the developers in my office choose to come into the office every day because they do not have a home office setup or they prefer to have that separation between work and home.

stinerman ,
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We had an IT person quit this year because we transitioned to fully remote after they closed down the office in December 2020. He couldn’t handle working from home.

downpunxx ,

There's a lot of "play" in tasks accomplished when working in an office, not so much when companies have spy software gauging every minute one spend on their corporate owned pc's remotely, some find even less freedom when under that type of 9 hr scrutiny day in day out

corsicanguppy ,

when companies have spy software gauging every minute

It’s not WHY people quit, but it’s why they don’t stay.

Modva ,

Some people probably do not have home lives that they enjoy, I can imagine that.

XeroxCool ,

It’s not necessarily that they dislike the people, either. It could be an issue if the other people/animals at home aren’t cooperative with your need to work, despite being lovely in normal home situations. It could be a total lack of cooperative workspace - no desk space, too cluttered, areas already dedicated to other home tasks, noisy neighbors, easy distractions, etc. And then some people are just wholly impatient, who can’t identify what they need to make their home space more like their office space. Personally, I played a bunch of video games in 2020. I felt I performed better overall because blocking off an hour of game campaign kept me off my phone most of the day. Now I sit in an office again, scrolling here for more than an hour each day.

But yes, I had a number of coworkers in 2020 that came back as soon as they could in order to get away from their families again. Work was their herculean daily task that gave them an excuse to be away from families and be too tired to engage with them after work. The kind that always joked “gonna go home, hit the wife, and fuck the dog”

It’s not always outright negativity, but it can be.

marcos ,

I have plenty of coworkers that are thrilled when we have an in-office event. And some that choose to go there to work every day.

I can’t understand them, but well, it makes them happy.

LwL ,

Personally I just like my colleagues so it’s fun to be around them for the most part, and there are better lunch options around the office in my case (plus I’d never bother going somewhere when I’m home anyway). It being easier to just quickly ask a question is nice too. Also gets me actually out of the house and cycling for ~40 minutes a day. I also get way more done at work because working at the same pc I spend 90% of my free time at is not great at motivating my brain to do work.

Still, if I didn’t have the option to just stay home when I don’t feel like going to the office/am waiting for a package or something, I’d find that very annoying.

corsicanguppy ,

thrilled when we have an in-office event. And some [who] choose to go there

We call these ‘extroverts.’ We don’t understand them, but we can point them out.

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