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GiddyGap ,

It definitely seems like 90 percent of people will twist themselves into knots to find a way to defend their beliefs regardless of how wrong those beliefs might be, morally and factually.

Admitting that you are wrong is hard.

Yoz ,

Yeap, Its actually true

bouh ,

That’s because you don’t realize the stupid things you’re doing or thinking.

The scientific method is the only way we know to reliably discover actual facts, and even with it it can take decades to see through some bullshit we consider as facts.

If you add manipulation, déception and lies, you can’t blame people for being mistaken or stupid. You can blame them for being assholes though.

spittingimage ,
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I feel like 20% of people are stupid but they cause 80% of the annoyances in my life.

jackie_jormp_jomp ,

The Pareto principle is everywhere in life.

spittingimage ,
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And now I’ve learned what that rule is called. Cheers.

m3t00 ,
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only when I’m driving

Zavorra ,

Well, it is not “90% of people is stupid”

It is more “at any given time, the 90% of people is doing something stupid”, or the equivalent statement “90% of the time people does stupid things”

IIRC math guys call this an “ergodic and stationary” system

clipper ,

Everyone is stupid some of the time and after we’ve noticed all that it feels like we’re surrounded by idiots.

Truth is we’re just not seeing the competence.

nycki ,

I think we live in an age where advertisements are literally gaslighting, and also where large portions of the population are bombarded with advertisements on a daily basis. I’m not surprised if people’s grip on reality gets a little wobbly, resisting all that propaganda is a lot of effort.

Dkarma ,

That’s a lot more complex than people are stupid. Occam’s razor.

nycki ,

I would like to believe this is sarcasm, but it’s impossible to distinguish fake stupidity from real stupidity; Poe’s law.

pHr34kY ,

I think adblocking is the best thing I’ve done for my children.

CrowAirbrush ,

Think about all those poor youtubers and the platform itself.

Lol obvious sarcasm, fuck 'm and the insane amount of ads that are nowadays considered normal.

z00s ,

To paraphrase George Carlin, by definition half of the population is below average intelligence. But nobody thinks they’re in that bottom half.

KarmaTrainCaboose ,

This is interesting to me though. Didn’t most people (at least in developed countries) take tests in school? Get grades? I would think if you did below average on those you kind of…should know that you’re in the bottom half?

I get that it’s possible to make changes after schooling, and grades are only somewhat reliable (in that they also rely on effort) but still.

Dkarma ,

You ever see the people who get As in school take an aptitude test? They don’t always get high scores.

piexil ,

And aptitude tests themselves are flawed and usually only measure certain quantities or qualities of intelligence, and are not really a great marker for general intelligence (this is including IQ tests which have a very racist origin and history)

jandar_fett ,

Not to mention grades are about doing the work and having the discipline and organizational skills. There are plenty of people who are very intelligent, but lack both of those. US testing metrics (is that the right word?) are heavily flawed. This isn’t even bringing up the racist aspect of most institutions, including educational being headed up and formulated by white people.

BigSadDad ,

I’m curious. Do you think “educational” being headed up and formulated by a black person would increase scores overall? Just within black children scores?

Elderos ,

IQ tests were first developped because it seemed obvious not all students performed equally. On average a student that is good in a given discipline will also tend to do well in other unrelated disciplines. On average is the keyword here, outliers exist.

I think gifted students can easily tell what side of the curve they’re on, even though they might not want to acknowledge it. It is not even avout the grades, because gifted students also often learn early on that they can get away by doing the minimum amount of work and still get passing grades. So they’re not necessarily top of classes.

Gifted students get told they’re fast learner all the time, and they notice how everyone else seem to be progressing in slow motion. They know.

I think it gets harder to self-evaluate the closer you are to the average, since most of your peers will be more or less just as intelligent as you. Then, the dullest you are, and the less you can identify competense and the more likely you are to be over-confident.

I think in the end, most people will end up believing they’re above average because we tend to notice dumb people a lot. Ironically it is probably students who are just slightly above average who will have the most self-doubts, because they feel different from their peers, yet they can probably tell more gifted students are around.

Source: 50% my ass, 50% being surrounded by incredibly smart people who shared their personal experiences with me.

davemeech ,

Yes, myself included.

ajmxco ,
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I wouldn’t say stupid but I’d say most people believe they know what they’re doing, and don’t.

unreasonabro ,

The comments in here are so depressing it’s actually funny. Evidently we don’t even know what the word means. “No metrics” ffs

Look, the fact of the matter is, as soon as you start even just inching over to the right of the curve, the people rolling the other way down the hill are already, let’s say, beyond your horizons. The reverse is true too but in the less salutory way. You will never be able to fully communicate anything to them, their heads are populated with bullshit and nothing true can remain in their minds because it just gets overwritten by the stupidity which they have chosen as their life. They do not see obvious connections, they can not follow principles or see how they apply to them, and they are too arrogant to have sense spoken to them. They can not learn, resent the suggestion that there is something they don’t already know in the first place, and they say things like “you can’t tell me shit”. I mean, thanks for self-identifying as a drain on society but we could already tell…

Meowoem ,

I think it’s interesting how mathematically hard it is to judge anyone else’s intelligence, like you talk about the issue of people rolling down the hill and I get that and agree but really it’s vastly more complex topography - if the conversation is about python programming I can look very intelligent, if it’s about java programming then I’ll look a bit of a fool, and these are as similar as you can get were the topic famous geologists then I’d probably seem like a total idiot

Now you’ll be tempted to say but you can still tell by how you carry yourself and it’s s bit true but that’s not really true either, I’ve travelled enough to know that common sense in one area is dumb somewhere else - ask too many questions in one place they’ll think you’re simple and don’t ask enough somewhere else they’ll think it too.

Part of it is that we don’t really know what level someone is on, if you see a guy in the garden staring at the pretty leaves for hours he just might be empty headed, or he could be Alan Turing working out one of the most fundamentally brilliant mathematics discoveres of the era.

We’re on our own hill of intelligence so it can be hard to tell if someone on a different one is smart or dumb

jandar_fett ,

Very well said. Is it even possible to quantify intelligence? I mean, you can obviously measures brain size, which they did, and that was lacking, then they measured amount of gray matter, which matters a lot more, conclusively, but there is also the fact that even losing pieces of the brain cannot stop a person from being fully functioning due to neuroplasticity, and then you have concepts like IQ tests which are verifiable steeped in white exceptionalism aka racist as hell.

Elderos ,

Removing bias from IQ tests is one hell of a challenge, but if we put that aside and only analyse IQ results from people from similar backgrounds, it definitely measure something, and it usually gives accurate results. Meaning your score would not change much by taking the test again.

IQ score correlate with someone general ability in pattern recognition, languages, logic, bias check and etc. It also correlate with grades, salary, lifespan. So, is that intelligence? I don’t know, but it is something.

Elderos ,

I also think so. You can usually tell who is close to your own level, but anything too far off andthe signals for what is considered smart or dumb tend to blend together.

The one trait which usually don’t lie is the person ability to learn. Fast learners and autodidacts are almost always smart, and people who are slow to learn are almost always left of the curve. Other signals you mentioned are deeply rooted in culture and can reqlly give the wrong impression.

jandar_fett ,

It seems like the issue is more nuanced than all that.

OhFudgeBars ,

Yes, we all do, and most of us outgrow it.

numberfour002 ,

Snark mode activated: After reading through the “Threads Federation” comments, and seeing what opinions/comments are currently most popular, I’m going to go with YES.

But jokes aside, my actual personal opinion is no.

russjr08 ,

I mean, a lot of people have a tendency to do “stupid” things, and maybe even say stupid things - but I wouldn’t classify 90% of the population as stupid. First problem is that “stupid” isn’t a very quantifiable quality - and “smarter” really depends on the perspective of the way you’re looking at it. I’ll use what someone else mentioned here as an example: I would like to say that I’m at least a decent software developer (or so I hope), but I know absolutely nothing about cars (I don’t even have one). While I’m pretty well rounded on the software side of computers, I’m terrible at the hardware side. I am also terrible at math aside from the very basics (and even then… eh) - hence, I’d never have a good shot at even getting into game development if that were something I wanted to pursue.

So not only can I not comment on whether other people are “stupid”, I can’t even account for myself, because there’s no metric for it. Are we going off of IQ (I have zero clue what my IQ is, nor do I really have an interest in finding out what it might be)? Are we going off of being able to answer Jeopardy questions?

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