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mojo , in Know your genocide apologists

Wow I wonder if the OP is a right winger.

Also you need to be so far incredibly detached from reality if you think antifa is an actual thing.

Yup, OP’s first post after this is a pronouns meme.

robin ,

Also you need to be so far incredibly detached from reality if you think antifa is an actual thing.

I agree with the rest of your post, but i’m a bit confused by this comment. Are you saying antifa doesn’t exist?

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

I was just fired from my job as CEO of antifa, RIP

pomodoro_longbreak ,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s a meme that doesn’t apply here. People can identify themselves as antifa without there being an central organising body. And it’s not a bad thing either

Micromot ,
@Micromot@lemmycook.de avatar

I would consider antifascists as more of a way of thinking shared by a group of people rather than a community lead by people with a hirarchy and stuff

pomodoro_longbreak ,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

I guess it can be both

mojo ,

It’s just roleplay until they actually go outside and participate in events. Which only like a handful at max do.

mojo ,

It’s like 2 guys. It’s extremely exaggerated by right wingers so they have something to straw man.

SasquatchBanana ,

Antifa is decentralized like BLM. There isn’t really an organization so there isn’t really a leader. You can’t stop antifa because of that. It’s more an ideology and philosophy.

ArcaneSlime ,

So now this begs the question, are “ideologies” “real?” What is reality, simply things you can sense? Is happiness not real? Love? Sadness? Imo, ideologies and concepts can both be described as “real” same as things you can experience with your senses.

Lemminary ,

It’s not real as in it’s not an entity. Of course it’s a concept, nobody denied that.

ArcaneSlime ,

I wouldn’t be so sure. Without defining terms it seems some people may be confused on your meaning depending on their conception of what constitutes reality, anyway.

Lemminary ,

I don’t think it’s worth getting bogged down by semantics, but as it is, I feel like it’s pretty clear what it’s not

ArcaneSlime ,

It’s not semantics, it’s either a deflection or a problem of defining terms. If someone says “something something antifa” you know they’re talking about the disorganized association of like minded individuals who self identifies as antifa, which we seem to both agree "exists.” They didn’t say “I remember the first time I met Steve Bavelacqua, Chairman of the Board of The Antifas™, he was but a young lad then.” Pretending they did is disingenuous and we all know that, it just turns into this exact bullshit where someone claims, ironically semantically, that “The Antifas™” doesn’t exist in an attempt to conflate it with “antifa the concept doesn’t exist,” which is what anyone is talking about when they say “antifa,” except maybe Tucker Carlson or some shit. If you really think they’re talking about an organized group ask them, if they say “no you idiot I mean the loose association of people who self identify as antifa, not my good friend Steve, owner operator of Antifa LLC,” you’re good, if they do mention Antifa©®LLCBBC, then correct them. Otherwise it reads as deflection, gaslighting, or denial, since you sound like you’re saying the thing which we both agree, even if semantically, is “real,” is not real.

Lemminary ,

Gotcha, my mistake! Thanks for elaborating

xigoi ,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada

blacklivesmatter.com/about/

Platomus ,

A VAST majority of BLM protests had nothing to do with this organization.

xigoi ,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So why did (and still do) many websites have links urging people to donate to this organization under the name of Black Lives Matter?

Platomus ,

Probably because some of those websites are a part of that specific organization.

That doesn’t change anything I said.

SasquatchBanana ,

If this website or org that is calling itself BLM dissolves then that org will be gone. BLM itself won’t be gone because it is a movement.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

It’s in the preamble if you want to read on it.

Noughmad ,

So if I register Antifa.com, then I’m the CEO of Antifa?

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

A pronouns meme on the side of the pronouns, though?

Lemminary ,

Is it really, though?

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

... yes?

Lemminary ,

Doubt

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

It's... depicting an androgynous soldier asking a Russian soldier the Russian's pronouns as the Russian force is obliterated by the androgynous soldier. Russian military propaganda has put a great value on being 'macho' and queerphobic. The Russian soldier is begging for mercy in response to the question.

How is it not on the side of the pronouns?

Lemminary ,

I see. My interpretation was that it ridiculed people who give importance to preferred pronouns. The right and their Russian apologists have been making similar memes about the supposed rainbow army on the West using pronouns in combat. I get that maybe that wasn’t your intention but with that context in mind and without your detailed explanation, it seems like just another right-wing meme. I don’t think a conservative looking at it would arrive at your explanation so easily. Because, in all honesty, that looks like the tired old trope of a typical Tumbler user being petty thinking they’re having an impact and not an androgynous soldier punishing an enemy. Again, it probably wasn’t your intention, but that’s not what it looked like to me

But anyway, thank you for taking the time to clarify and now I see it differently, I just wanted to give some feedback

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

No worries. Tone is hard over the internet, especially with imagery that's trying to be 'punchy' and funny rather than precise.

Lemminary ,

Actually, I caught myself being unnecessarily confrontational. To be honest, I recently had a bad experience and it put me on edge. I really had to step back and reflect. My sincere apologies, man. I should’ve approached you with an open mind in the first place and I did exactly the thing I hate about the comments social media. It’s a tough habit to break but I’m on it.

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

No offense taken! We all have bad days, I just hope your day gets better (or the next day is better, depending on your time zone)!

Lols ,

…do antifascists know?

RaivoKulli ,

Antifa is a real thing. I have friends who participate in their stuff. Have I hallucinated the whole thing??

mojo ,

Yes

RaivoKulli ,

I’m not sure if it’s all a joke or you’re just strangely in denial about antifa. Maybe you’re thinking of the original “antifa” that has been dead since the 30’s?

Senseless , in ♫ Boom boom boom ♫

Works as indended. By doing this, you can claim the kill as friendly fire instead of a kill by Ukraine. /s

SpicyPeaSoup ,
@SpicyPeaSoup@kbin.social avatar

That is so fucking stupid, it might actually be an official russian strategy.

TheBlue22 , in sanest solution to the israel-palestine crisis

Completely insane, a humanitarian catastrophe, would cause unimaginable suffering.

I rate it noncredible/10

jmcs ,

Since there are already two sides trying to genocide each other, I believe that King Solomon would wholeheartedly approve this compromise solution (the twist is, whoever starts packing up first keeps the land)

100_percent_a_bot , in Least furry member of the US military

And of course it’s the fking navy… The jokes really write themselves these days

fsxylo , in 5th generation warfare

Putin is that kid on the playground that kept announcing new rules every time he was losing.

Varyag , in Poland is NO LONGER BASED, new orders are to LOVE GERMANY (except for that twat Scholz)
@Varyag@lemm.ee avatar

I have a pretty close Polish friend, and honestly most of waht I hear implies that Poland never was anything close to “based”. Their government is on a whole new level of stupidity and cringe that other countries can only dream of. Always expect them to do the opposite of what is reasonable.

PeWu ,

Our president already proved that he has ability to make someone curl their fingers out of cringe.

verity_kindle , in Euroweapons
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Who would downvote the Swiss Guard? All they do is provide selfie opportunities since 1527. They’re politically neutral. They promote elegant men’s tactical clothing. SMH

Sylver ,

Teens in 1527: Yo lemme catch a selfie with the Guard lmao

DaCrazyJamez ,

Not to mention the halberds are ceremonial. They have MP5As strapped on their backs.

ProcurementCat ,
PugJesus , in What do you mean mechs are non-credible?
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Note: like most memes I post, this is not mine. Specifically, I am not an engineering student; I passed high school math with a 59.5%.

tintintin ,

Thank you for the transparency

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

I would hate to be convicted of meme fraud!

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

In the same spirit: I laughed at this and upvoted it, but I don't know what the square cube law is or what it has to do with mechs. I don't really understand the joke and I'm honestly a fraud for upvoting it and engaging with it, at all.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Fake it 'til you make it!

The square-cube law is about how increasing the size of an object increases its volume much more rapidly. So if you make an ant, say, twice as large, it ends up 4 times as heavy (don't take these numbers as anything but an example, I'm pretty sure there's formulae and shit). For that reason, massive vehicles, like mechs, are impractical - something twice as large as a tank is gonna end up much more than twice-as-heavy.

Godort ,

The square-cube law is the rule saying that if you increase something’s size, its volume will also increase proportionally.

Ie: if you have a 1x1x1 cube it’s volume is 1, but if you have a 2x2x2 cube it’s volume is 8.

With mech design, making a huge bipedal robot means putting a massive amount of weight on relatively weak joints at the legs.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Thanks, I don't think I like the square-cube law. Just make the joints stronger. It'll be fine!

Brainsploosh ,

The square-cube law is also why we don’t have giant spiders, so it’s not all bad.

(a cow sized spider would have legs as thick as matchsticks, and as intuition would suggest, collapse hilariously on itself.)

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever , (edited )

Just to add on a bit:

It is also a very misleading argument in this case. The square-cube law is why you can’t just scale up a human to 40 meters tall. The design and materials of our joints (and, at that scale, bones?) just can’t handle it.

But nobody is suggesting we make mechs out of blood and skin… well, okay, Attack on Titan. And arguably Escaflowne. But aside from that. You make them out of sturdy metal and ridiculously powerful and magic fibers. And you reinforce the joints and use different designs that are able to handle much greater stress and strain (I can never keep track of the difference between those two).

Same with the design. There is almost zero chance of a skyscraper sized sentai mech that is just a person with some cardboard shin pads ever working (and I am fundamentally incapable of admitting Gundams fall into this category). But the more “realistic” mech designs take a lot from construction equipment and focus on having a lower center of mass and an almost “frog” like shape.

Even with modern equipment, we have proof of concept bipedal mechs. They tend to be closer to the 12-18 foot range (which corresponds to Armored Core 1, if memory serves) and have limited utility (basically just youtube videos and county fairs), but they work. And there are even commercial quadruped walkers (Hacksmith bought two or three, tried to fuse them, and fucked up the math, right?).

And… I’ve seen some proof of concepts made out of wood with minimal amounts of metal. So the limiting factor has not been “the square-cube law” for decades (arguably centuries).

The issue is really utility. A biped has almost no use over a quadruped (sorry, “tetrapod”). With a biped you can fit it in narrower spaces but… not that much more narrow since you are likely to have “t-rex arms” in terms of being able to do work close to the cockpit. Like, gonna make a tangent to this deranged rant but: Fuck the mechs in The Matrix. You are fighting flying squids with knife tentacles. So you obviously use a glass cockpit with arms that can’t even protect you if they get in close. I know we pretend that was The Machines seeding them for failure but… anyone with a modicum of engineering knowledge should have said “What the fuck? This is stupid. At least weld some metal plates to that frame”. Err… anyway.

With a quadruped you have MUCH easier math to control both the movement and the tolerances and MUCH better balance. And MUCH more carrying capacity whether that is for construction supplies or… a dozen NLAWs and a big ass machine gun. Except… why would you need that carrying capacity for a construction machine? If you are remote enough that you can’t get the usual stuff there… why are you building in the first place? We don’t need a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere. And military outposts increasingly depend on prefabricated buildings that can be airlifted in. And if you can’t airlift something in, how are you going to defend it? The idea of having a walker schlep a bunch of metal beams across a mountain has never made enough sense to justify the R&D.

Even for the idea of a (WW1) “storm trooper” kind of situation where you want a heavily armored exosuit to break the enemy line, such as the suits from Live Die Repeat/Edge of Tomrorow: You can have almost the exact same capabilities with a tetrapod/centaur design. And those would cost enough that you want your soldiers to have enough training to control them. Like, you will NEVER mass produce these to the point where “we can train people to use them in a day because of the ergonomics” is a priority.

But… that gets to the other side of why mechs are just incredibly impractical. There is a reason we discuss “the death of the tank” every time there is a major battle. The window where tanks were an unstoppable force was… a year or two after WW1 until part way through WW2? In almost every other time period, infantry are more than capable of taking out tanks/armor with the kind of weapons you can equip every squad with. That is why tanks are mostly weapon platforms that are good at oppressing an unprepared populace. Against any “near peer” force, they are just giant missile/rocket magnets and are increasingly being treated as fire support and a deterrent rather than an actual offensive force.

Which is the reality. Amuro or Mikazuki appearing on the field would not be a moment where the entire enemy force collectively shits their pants and hopes that someone in a giant mech can stop them. It would be when every single NCO tells their infantry squads to light them up and then Gundam would get blapped like a kid on the Ideon. Which is why it has been an ongoing joke for decades at this point that the “meta” in Battletech is to not field mechs. It is to field a shit ton of tanks and (effectively) technicals with cannons and missile launchers on the back (I THINK the most recent ruleset found a way to make that not true? Been a minute).

Which is why you almost always need some other convoluted mess to justify “real” mechs. Gundam generally builds it around the idea of magic energy fields where long ranged attacks don’t work in space… and that still doesn’t justify the use of mechs over fighters or bombers. And still makes absolutely no sense for the obligatory arc on Earth. And is often outright referenced during the space base assault where Zakus and GMs are fucking things up because they are firing from cover and ambushes. Armored Core (at least the good ones) have sort of made it work with the idea that in 1 and 2 and 3 these were evolutions of construction equipment and almost entirely operate in enclosed spaces. 4 and 6 largely shift that to being more about having Newtypes who are so insanely good at piloting that the only thing that can REALLY stop them is another Newtype… and that the reason we don’t have a shit ton of infantry with Javelins is because most of humanity is dead. Battletech goes back and forth with the idea that we have a VERY limited subset of technology available but… tanks and jeeps with guns win.

But to argue that The Square Cube Law is why we can’t have mechs is like saying we could never have personal vehicles because you can’t fit a coal engine in a small enough form factor.


And just because I am clearly a nerd who has been obsessed with mechs since they were a child, I do think it is actually worth looking at the UC timeline of Mobile Suit Gundam.

it has very much been retconned, but the OG 0079 actually had a really clever take on it that almost justifies mobile suits (mechs). Pretty much everyone was dependent on “balls” and the kinds of weapons that actually evolve out of construction equipment. And then Zeon more or less said “We can fit a lot more armor and guns on something larger” with the Zeong heavily implying that even they knew a biped was stupid but were required to make one because of politics and the royals.

And while the suits let them conquer almost the entirety of the solar system, they never really got a foothold on Earth. Because… tanks and artillery. Like, we pretend that White Base is what saved those military installations but even the modern retconned timeline shows that Zeon made very few gains in a ground war.

And… that actually makes sense. Zakus, and later Gundam, were very much a rapid reaction. Similar to the crazy shit we saw in WW1 and WW2. But even by the end of the one year war, we had mass produced GMs and the effectiveness of a mobile suit was DRASTICALLY reduced. And that is why Zeta and ZZ were all about “mobile armors” that were a lot closer to tanks and small battleships.

IGLOO sort of touched on this. but Thunderbolt and MS 08th Team (and now I am sad again) very much undermined it and it was basically just a generic mech fantasy by the time of F91 and later Unicorn.

nomadwannabe ,

I appreciate the time spent writing that, that was a really cool read :) love reading takes from people who have put a lot of thought into niche topics.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Think about any part of your body... say your arm. Now imagine scaling it up to double the size.

Your muscles are now double the length but also have to move a doubled distance. That changes nothing.

That same muscle (it's roughly a tube) has doubled it's diameter, so it 2² = 4 times as strong because it's cross-section is a circle and the surface of a circle is (d/2)² * pi.

But your whole arm has doubled it's size in all 3 directions. So it's volume/mass is now 2³= 8 times as high.

So in short: double your size and you are 2² = 4 times as strong, but you also have to move 2³ = 8 times the mass. That's the square/cube thing that makes just scaling up impossible.

PS: Yes, if you ever wondered how you were so incredible good at climbing things when you were a child... small children are much stronger than you compared to their own body weight.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Ohhhhhhh! Thanks, this helped with the "why."

AEsheron ,

In addition to what others here have said, it is also the cause of scaling fall damage.

An ant falles down a mine shaft and doesn’t even notice.

A mouse bounces and runs off.

A person breaks.

A horse splashes.

Surface area decreases max fall speed. Mass increases max speed. Mass times speed indicated how much force something feels at the end of the fall. The issue is, surface area scales as a square, Mass as a cube, and thus the bigger something has the less drag it has and the more energy it absorbs as it lands, getting hit coming and going.

Blamemeta ,

You passed with a 59.5? What school lets you go on with that?

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Rounds up to a D. Skin of my fucking teeth.

Pistcow ,

Look at the guy that went to school during “no child left behind”. My teachers would have just laughed at rounding up.

GBU_28 ,

Guys I don’t think he actually passed

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

lmao, they gave me my high school diploma and I didn't have to take summer school, so I think it counted.

fosforus , in "This is fine"

Were they dumb enough to believe the “Taiwan is China” -lie?

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

"It says 'Return to the Republic of China', so I guess that's China." - some very confused mailman

More realistically speaking, it was sent to China for repairs... so it was probably just the Swiss company trying to cheap out on labor costs in the most horrendous way imaginable for Taiwanese national security.

MossyFeathers ,

No, they probably just don’t give a shit or received some cash under the table. Do you really think Switzerland, a country known for being “”“neutral”“” in the face of fascism and genocide, profiting off scams and white-collar crime committed in other countries, allowing Hitler to stash stolen Jewish gold and then stealing losing it after the Reich collapsed, and giving birth to the crime against humanity known as Nestle, would give a fuck about something as insignificant as allowing a sovereign nation’s military technology fall into the hands of their imperialist next door neighbor?

awwwyissss ,

Stealing LosingHiding

tryptaminev ,

You forgot running the finances of terrorist organizations, and fascist genocidal dictators.

YashaB ,

You must live in an very dark place.

The whole western industry is doing business with China, sustaining us in our comfortable lives.

I don’t know the exact context, but I guess it was just stupidity combined with business as usual.

Aqarius ,

Better go call up the Republic of China and tell them they’re not China, then. I’m sure they’ll be understanding.

WtfEvenIsExistence ,

Better start using “Taiwan, Republic of China (The Real China, not the mainland area under communist rebellion)”

SkyezOpen ,

East Taiwan getting real uppity lately.

Africanprince99 ,

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  • PM_ME_FEET_PICS ,

    Yes. Most do.

    However there are two China’s.

    The Republic of China and the Peoples Republic of China. Both governments claim to be rightful governing bodies of China greater.

    Theero , in why does this keep happening?

    These War Thunder shenanigans will never stop being peak comedy for me

    Zeppo , in Ok, who had "We just ignore them and keep buying grain?"
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    I have to admit that I rolled my eyes at the idea that Putin would start a war with Israel.

    drzoidberg ,
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    Israel commits a dozen war crimes by breakfast. All Russian civilian areas would be bombed to hell of he started a war with them.

    Zeppo ,
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    Yeah, they can barely handle Ukraine it seems, so my impression is they’d be fucked. However that could also pull in Iran and Saudi, which would be bad news for the world in general.

    Squizzy ,

    Israel are the authoritarian bigots with the stamp of approval. I hate Israel’s Government.

    problematicPanther ,
    @problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

    Let them fight.

    Squizzy ,

    If only it was the governments that fought and not the innocents.

    Zeppo ,
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    I thought about this and…what government do I actually like?

    Squizzy ,

    I like a fair few of them, it’s important to recognise things going right and absence of lunacy, but I like almost all of them more than Israel’s

    troyunrau ,
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    I suspect that Israel would respond against the Russian-supported regime in Syria, rather than in Ukraine.

    SatanicNotMessianic ,

    Israel per se has fuck all to do with this, to be honest. Attacking a foreign flagged civilian vessel is a big deal, especially when the eyes of the world are upon you and you cannot declare something to have happened on the fog of war. There’s an American P-8, which is an intelligence as well as an anti-ship/anti-sub plane, covering the ship. No one knows what it’s rules of engagement are, but the implication is that it’s there to defend the civilian ship. Attacking the US plane would be an act of war. Attacking the ship may trigger the American plane to defend it by launching weapons against the attacking vessel.

    The one thing that the Russians could legitimately do is block the ship physically. They can play chicken by threatening to steer into it, but I can’t think that they’d risk widening the war at this point. No shade on Ukraine - this one is going to go down as one of the greatest victories in the history of warfare - but if they can’t make progress against Ukraine then NATO will go through them like crap through a goose.

    Zeppo ,
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    Sure, it’s been pretty obvious that NATO would massacre the fuck out of them. Doubtlessly Putin has known that for some time.

    problematicPanther ,
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    I don’t think we need to be caring about who would win in a conventional war with Russia. We need to be worrying about who would lose in a nuclear exchange with them.

    kaffiene ,

    Everyone. Themselves included

    Zeppo ,
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    pretty much everyone is not stupid enough to do that, because as we’ve known since the 60s at least, we’d all lose. Russia has nuke subs ready to do retaliation, we have a fuckton of them too, China does, random other countries like the EU and even Israel is ready to nuke the fuck out of everyone else just in case. Putin makes weak nuclear threats and he knows that “we’ll nuke you!” would result in most of Russia being completely smashed, along with most of the EU and USA. The danger is some idiot feeling nihilistic and egotistical enough to try it. It would never be a reasonable policy decision by any country.

    Cryophilia , in "Ch-China is kinda scary too..."

    China IS scary. And the whole reason Russia is getting their ass kicked is BECAUSE of our insane military budget.

    Shit take.

    cecilkorik ,
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    You don’t have to be defensive about it, I think it just acknowledges a bit of a public relations tightrope the MIC has to walk. They can’t gloat about how we’re winning too much (even though they are not just winning, but even doing it with mostly hand-me-downs) or people will start to question whether how much we spend is really necessary. I know why it’s necessary, you know why it’s necessary, but the average voter doesn’t necessarily care.

    Cryophilia ,

    The average voter sees us spending money on bullets that shoot Russians and they go “Murica fuck yeah!”

    Which is pretty much accurate in this case so, cool.

    ProcurementCat , in Chad Lt. Kurt Chew-Een Lee

    Reading about him, that dude had some absurd fighting spirit, but also some issues with proving himself. Which probably made him so fucking determined.

    PugJesus ,
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    Same reason why the Japanese-American 442nd had an over 300% casualty rate in WW2. Young men desiring to prove themselves against a prejudiced society are often.... resolute.

    donescobar , in Not a bad price for doing the right thing

    I hope there are no windows nearby

    PugJesus ,
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    He and his family are in Ukraine now. I'm sure they're watching over him very carefully, considering the propaganda value of having him alive.

    Zoidsberg ,
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    How’d he get his family out?

    Firipu ,
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    This is the internet. We just say things are OK so we can all sleep better. Who needs proof. His family is safe in a nice farm upstate.

    PugJesus ,
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    Apparently it wasn't a spur of the moment defection, he planned it out with Ukrainian intelligence for quite some time beforehand.

    Empricorn , in RIP Mike Ehrmantraut

    What a disgrace to compare this fascist, Nazi-loving dickhead to the guy who actually lived by a code. And yes, I realize he was a killer and a criminal (not to mention fictional!), but he still has way more ethics. Rest in piss, Prickgozin…

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